OG Dragon Ball 5-C Scaling to Roshi's Moon-Busting Feat Should be Removed

[noninho]

We topic-ban or thread-ban people for causing undesirable heatness.
We had for months (or years, don't recall 110%) a rule for avoiding heatness in Naruto x Bleach threads, and have to this very day we have rules specifically to Marvel/DC scaling cuz it gave problems.
We literally have in the main point of discussion in this forum "Please avoid highly controversial topics" very high in the page, almost impossible to not have noticed.

And yet we do nothing against a topic that single-handedly keeps bothering everyone for at least 2000 days? Makes no sense to me.
What's needed for us to achieve this, a Staff Thread? Then imma try to pull it off in this very moment

 

[Wankbreaker]

I hoped to not hear the name [CENSORED] the Progroomer. Never liked him

outerversal sasaki kojirou from fate. peak scaling.

 

[AwkguyDB]

We topic-ban or thread-ban people for causing undesirable heatness.
We had for months (or years, don't recall 110%) a rule for avoiding heatness in Naruto x Bleach threads, and have to this very day we have rules specifically to Marvel/DC scaling cuz it gave problems.
We literally have in the main point of discussion in this forum "Please avoid highly controversial topics" very high in the page, almost impossible to not have noticed.

And yet we do nothing against a topic that single-handedly keeps bothering everyone for at least 2000 days? Makes no sense to me.
What's needed for us to achieve this, a Staff Thread? Then imma try to pull it off in this very moment

I actually agree with this

 

[CloverDragon03]

Ngl if this gets rejected we absolutely need a discussion rule. I really don't want people trying to reuse these arguments to make bad downgrade threads that cause nothing but headaches

 

[ByAsura]

A discussion rule seems appropriate if this is rejected again.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I didn't say anything about Vegito or other characters. The argument I was bringing up was that if King Piccolo is casually Moon level, then destroying a city should've been a casual matter, but it looked like he had to visibly put effort into it. That was all. I didn't say that all DB characters are only as powerful as the biggest thing they've blown up.

This is going directly against one of the first things we highlight in our Attack Potency page: that it's not at all equivalent to Destructive Capacity

What Rusty brings up is a perfectly apt comparison because he put his all into a Final Kamehameha that barely looks like Tier 7 against Fused Zamasu, yet we're not trying to downgrade Vegito Blue to Tier 7 are we?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Here we go again...

But anyway, I heavily disagree FRA. It's important to note this was 21st Budokai Roshi. And it was stated on multiple threads, Roshi has trained in secret between 21st and 22nd Budokai; given he just barely won last time. And Goku has strength multiplied since then. I can't make any base form growths, even his seriousness form is even stronger and/or more stable than it was when he did the Moon level feat. If anything, that only doubles down on why the Moon level should have scaling grownds this time around. Goku and Tien are stated by Roshi to be outright stronger than himself, or that Tien's Tri Beam "Surpasses the Kamehamaha."

King Piccolo is even more blatant. Master Roshi literally says in a head on fight, his chances of victory are 0. And he even called him "invincible" or something like that. Implying even the new improved Max Power Kamehameha would basically do 0 damage. And I do not need to explain what happens next, though even at Roshi's current state. He doesn't consider himself as strong as Mutaito, who also was unable even scratch King Piccolo. But that's subjective but consistent. Kami restoring the moon may be hypothesized and even I have doubts, but he upscales from everyone else before him regardless. With Goku and Piccolo during 23rd Budokai also being even stronger than Kami + Goku has his own Super Kamehameha that Piccolo tanked (Moon busting statement combined with it being far stronger than everyone before them in all).

And yes, a discussion rule I can support as well.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

outerversal sasaki kojirou from fate. peak scaling.

The f*ckin Saber video bruh.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

What Rusty brings up is a perfectly apt comparison because he put his all into a Final Kamehameha that barely looks like Tier 7 against Fused Zamasu, yet we're not trying to downgrade Vegito Blue to Tier 7 are we?

That was me, actually. Although I mostly made that comment as a joke. Though I do agree that saying Piccolo taking time to charge a city destroying attack isn't a viable outlier for him being 5-C, since if we were to scale based on DC, well, Dragon Ball would be a f*cking mess with its weird ass treasure trove of DC outliers.

At this point Earth should be 2-C

 

[Spinoirr]

That was me, actually. Although I mostly made that comment as a joke. Though I do agree that saying Piccolo taking time to charge a city destroying attack isn't a viable outlier for him being 5-C, since if we were to scale based on DC, well, Dragon Ball would be a f*cking mess with its weird ass treasure trove of DC outliers.

At this point Earth should be 2-C

I mean apparently planets have life energy as shown in the Moro arc

 

[Rikimarox2]

Only read the thread and few of the replies. As of now;

Heavy disagree because, wow. The amount of assumptions here and just the over-complication of everything is just, stunning. DB always had stuff like characters suddenly jumping tiers. Take Goku growing from like 4-B to 2-C, there are many instances, and why they are inconsistent? Because surprise surprise, authors kind of don't give a shit and aren't exactly counting joules for every thing a character does. I mean, I doubt they go "Hmm, this character only destroyed a building before, we can't give him an attack that can destroy the moon because it destroys the power scale/the balance.". No, they go "This shit looks sick as hell, make it more blue, make it destroy the moon and give it to the perverted old man." Additionally, if you used the whole "King Piccolo only destroyed a city", then might as well downgrade almost all the DBS character. Zamasu? Vegito? Habibi city level, take it or leave it.

So, regardless, let's see the statements. Roshi said his students are stronger than him, plain and simple. Said no version of kamehameha will work vs Tri-beam, very nice.

How did you manage to take these clear statements and somehow manage to make an argument about how the 5-C feat is invalid, or how "no one, even King Piccolo, scales to it since he didn't use it on King Piccolo"?
Also it's absolutely wild that you want Roshi to say "Hmm, yes, not even my 100% MAX POWER Kamehameha is as strong as them" when it comes to him saying his students surpassed him. Why would he even need to specify anything, when just mentioning the fact they have surpassed him, is consice and more than enough to know they are stronger? Also, lmao at the whole "It could be they surpassed him in other things", brother we are in dragon ball. Raw power is kind of their thing.

Anyways, can't argue much to be honest since I'm going off of pure memory from like, quite a long time ago. But from what I recall and the few rereads of chapters I just did, as well as the scans, I heavily disagree with this.

 

[AwkguyDB]

well, now more staff in this thread are.....at least neutral on making 22td Budokai peeps not 5-C in base stats, as for the arguments?......i dunno

Not 5-C on the basis of what?

Allow me to vent for a sec

We had a solid thread explaining exactly why they deserve their ranking earlier this year and not even 12 months later someone comes along and brings up the same things discussed in 2019/2020 on the basis of things already debunked and many assumptions, one of the most egregious ones being that guidebooks like dainzenshuu is constantly inconsistent to the point where we can’t use it for even the most basic stuff, and y’all jump on that shii like it’s a breathe of fresh air yet on two separate threads (speaking on Damage specifically here) you agree on the 5-C scaling. Hell you even made a thread getting them down to possibly which not only failed but you ended very abruptly mind you. It’s time to put this Roshi stuff to rest at this point. I didn’t even list all of the threads talking about this one topic back and forth.

 

[noninho]

The moment this gets closed we should start the discussion of the thread rule.

 

[Hasty12345]

The moment this gets closed we should start the discussion of the thread rule.

Shouldn't need to wait that long, one should just be put in place as the conclusion of this thread.

 

[Omegabronic]

Not 5-C on the basis of what?

Roshi only being that strong with his Max Power form + Max power Kamehameha...........not that i will argue for this, i can see the value, but meh, like other staff, i don't really care

We had a solid thread explaining exactly why they deserve their ranking earlier this year and not even 12 months later someone comes along and brings up the same things discussed in 2019/2020 on the basis of things already debunked and many assumptions, one of the most egregious ones being that guidebooks like dainzenshuu is constantly inconsistent to the point where we can’t use it for even the most basic stuff, and y’all jump on that shii like it’s a breathe of fresh air yet on two separate threads (speaking on Damage specifically here) you agree on the 5-C scaling. Hell you even made a thread getting them down to possibly which not only failed but you ended very abruptly mind you. It’s time to put this Roshi stuff to rest at this point. I didn’t even list all of the threads talking about this one topic back and forth.

i.......am not jumping on "that shii" tho, i agreed on keeping DKP at solid 5-C......i understand the frustration............but i don't really get why say this to me and not Damage, as he is the one you are renting about