Reinhard Van Astrea vs Son Goku (GRACE)

[Vietthai96]

wait if SBA is valid, that means it is MUI

Oh

.........MUI start with Danmaku and explosion attacks........

Oh. OH

 

[TauanVictor]

I'll give my 2 cents for this fight and see where it goes.

Assuming Goku senses how much weaker Reinhard is compared to him, he should just knock out, since he doesn't go for killing fodder opponents.

And that's not OOC.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Yeah, k.o is a wincon

 

[shansome]

"Speed is equalized"
As mentioned:

• Initiative: He cannot be ambushed, and all initial attacks from Reinhard connect.
• First Attack Immunity: The first time an attack is performed at Reinhardt, he automatically dodges regardless of his awareness of the attack. The blessing will wake him up even if he's asleep.
• Proceeding Attack Immunity: The second attack and all following attacks miss him, as he automatically dodges them with vastly greater speed than the first time.

And

• Arrow Avoidance: Projectiles and long-distance attacks can not hit him.

 

[OriginFox]

Aoe ki blast gg lol

 

[Greatsage13th]

Aoe ki blast gg lol

That's ooc for Goku to bust a massive hole on earth tho

 

[OriginFox]

That's ooc for Goku to bust a massive hole on earth tho

Not saying he'll destroy the earth. Just fire a ki blast with a higher range if Reinhard keeps doing, or instant transmission Kamehameha like what he did with Cell.

 

[shansome]

The AOE blast is definitely Goku's wincon once he thinks of it, but Kamehameha isn't going to land. He doesn't dodge projectiles, the projectiles/long range attacks literally change trajectory to miss him.

 

[OriginFox]

The AOE blast is definitely Goku's wincon once he thinks of it, but Kamehameha isn't going to land. He doesn't dodge projectiles, the projectiles/long range attacks literally change trajectory to miss him.

How does that work? Some sort of vector manipulation of something?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

 

[Vietthai96]

How does that work? Some sort of vector manipulation of something?

It is his hax/blessing, it will make every projectile that aim at him miss iirc

That why people rarely use him in vs match, because it is really to truly gauge his abilities and how they work

 

[OriginFox]

It is his hax/blessing, it will make every projectile that aim at him miss iirc

That why people rarely use him in vs match, because it is really to truly gauge his abilities and how they work

Sounds like some random nlf bullshit. Unless there is a proper explanation, or feats that it works against higher AP attacks it would be nlf.

 

[StekFence]

Cant goku bend his kamehameha?

 

[Vietthai96]

Sounds like some random nlf bullshit. Unless there is a proper explanation, or feats that it works against higher AP attacks it would be nlf.

Nah, AP =/= hax, it is ability, you need to counter it with ability or resistance, AP mean nothing.

Also no one claim he can dodge omnidirectional explosion, since he doesn't have feat and the skill only refering to projectile

 

[Ss3micah]

This has to be on the list of top 100 weirdest debate ever

I mean what's Reinhardt gonna do against Goku exactly???

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This has to be on the list of top 100 weirdest debate ever

I mean what's Reinhardt gonna do against Goku exactly???

Bop him on the head with his sword, or sleep manip.

 

[LNZO19]

Honestly Goku pretty much just seals or BFR if he can't kill him. The speed difference is so astronomical I don't really see how this is a debate.

Edit: Wait speed equal. what can reinhard hax really do to Goku then?

 

[shansome]

Sounds like some random nlf bullshit. Unless there is a proper explanation, or feats that it works against higher AP attacks it would be nlf.

Reinhard has proven to instantly dodge projectiles and bullshit hax ranged attacks that can kill him, like when he fights Regulus(who stops time on objects and uses this to negate durability)

 

[Ss3micah]

Bop him on the head with his sword, or sleep manip.

Your Right
That would do the trick

GG Reinhardt then

 

[OriginFox]

Reinhard has proven to instantly dodge projectiles and bullshit hax ranged attacks that can kill him, like when he fights Regulus(who stops time on objects and uses this to negate durability)

Okay so Goku just fires a ki blast with a large range, or just chucks him into space lmao

 

[Ss3micah]

Reinhard has proven to instantly dodge projectiles and bullshit hax ranged attacks that can kill him, like when he fights Regulus(who stops time on objects and uses this to negate durability)

And what is Mr. Reinhardt gonna do to harm Goku exactly???

 

[shansome]

Reinhard can cut through space, by the way.

 

[OriginFox]

Wait is ssj allowed? cuz it would boost his speed n stuff if this is base form goku.

 

[shansome]

Your Right
That would do the trick

GG Reinhardt then

Reinhard can't use his sleep manipulation here, since that works by draining enemy mana by touch until they run out. Goku doesn't really use mana.

 

[OriginFox]

Reinhard can cut through space, by the way.

Goku dodges ez

 

[shansome]

Goku dodges ez

• Initiative: He cannot be ambushed, and all initial attacks from Reinhard connect.

 

[OriginFox]

• Initiative: He cannot be ambushed, and all initial attacks from Reinhard connect.

Goku dodges that shit too

 

[Ss3micah]

• Initiative: He cannot be ambushed, and all initial attacks from Reinhard connect.

Unless this is some major probability manipulation hax, I see no reason why Goku cant dodge with IT (literal teleportation) or block with his absurdly high Durability

 

[shansome]

Goku dodges that shit too

Speed is equalized, the point of the blessing is that the initial attacks can't be dodged. Goku is being pitted against a character entirely made up of "hax" here.

 

[OriginFox]

Fr though how do those blessing actualy work? like have they been demonstrated in battle? Cuz "He can't be ambushed, and his initial attack always hits" is very vague

 

[LNZO19]

So upon further inspection Reinhard's blessing only occurs when he thinks he needs them. So let's say he senses that Goku's AP is way above his and he gets the necessary blessings. Goku essentially can't harm him or he constantly one-shots only for Reinhard to be revive.
Assuming his hax can even harm Goku I think Goku just seals or massive BFR via IT. Idk if I'm missing something.

 

[OriginFox]

Speed is equalized, the point of the blessing is that the initial attacks can't be dodged. Goku is being pitted against a character entirely made up of "hax" here.

Haxs are for *******, Goku one punch mans Reinhard

 

[OriginFox]

I think a better match would be Sasaki Kojiro (FGO) Vs Reinhard.

 

[Ss3micah]

Speed is equalized, the point of the blessing is that the initial attacks can't be dodged. Goku is being pitted against a character entirely made up of "hax" here.

Goku has literally reacted and either blocked or dodge attacks from opponents far faster than himself on numerous on multiple occasions

Speed Equal ain't doing any favors for Reinhardt

 

[Vietthai96]

Cant goku bend his kamehameha?

Yes, his ki blast can homing on target, problem is Reinhard hax will either make them hit or allow him to dodge

Fr though how do those blessing actualy work? like have they been demonstrated in battle? Cuz "He can't be ambushed, and his initial attack always hits" is very vague

His blessing will automatically allow him to counter anyone sneak up on him

So upon further inspection Reinhard's blessing only occurs when he thinks he needs them. So let's say he senses that Goku's AP is way above his and he gets the necessary blessings. Goku essentially can't harm him or he constantly one-shots only for Reinhard to be revive.
Assuming his hax can even harm Goku I think Goku just seals or massive BFR via IT. Idk if I'm missing something.

Sealing is kinda out of character, and he doesn't have necessary equipment to seal.

 

[shansome]

Fr though how do those blessing actualy work? like have they been demonstrated in battle? Cuz "He can't be ambushed, and his initial attack always hits" is very vague

It's very vague, yeah. Sorry about that.
Some examples:
cutting through space:

The projectile blessings: If someone shoots an arrow at him, the arrow curves and misses. Regulus shoots an array of invisible time-stopped air pockets fast/strong enough to kill him, and he knows how and where to dodge to survive.
The auto-dodge blessings: The only swordsman on par with Reinhard ambushes him with a slash move, and he automatically pulls off this wacky flip maneuver to block it. The auto-dodge can activate while Reinhard is asleep.

 

[shansome]

While Goku can win by NUKE, throwing Reinhard into space(I mean Reinhard would probably create a divine protection to let him survive in space, but who knows) and BFR by that head tap teleport thing.
Those last two seem very out of character.

 

[Ss3micah]

His blessing will automatically allow him to counter anyone sneak up on him

I would very well like to see how Reinhardt is gonna counter an attack from a Tier 3/2 being

 

[shansome]

I would very well like to see how Reinhardt is gonna counter an attack from a Tier 3/2 being

Since he can't block it, he would instantly dodge because of the mentioned speed equalized+auto-dodge.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Would be great if we knew how powerful the Goddess who gives Reinhardt his blessings was.