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Reinhard van Astrea VS Luffy
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I vote Reinhard via Initiative and First/Second Sight blessings + EE slash.
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Reminder that Reinhard's perception speed would quite literally make Luffy appear frozen from his viewpoint and allow him to constantly simulate every possible combination of actions Luffy could take in order to counter them all.
This would come into play if he couldn't just literally instantly existence erasure the entire continent with Luffy included. An attack, btw, which is performed with the strongest of the swords of power, the others of which can cut the conceptual "point" of something or the boundaries between dream and reality. A sword slash that can cut through all kinds of magic, be it space or time manipulation or EMM, which allows the user to literally sidestep from this plane of existence. And it doesn't just cut through all kinds of magic; it can destroy the very source of all magic, the soul of the world itself. Boiling Reinhard's attacks down to just "spacial ability" is beyond reductive.
Although, without the proper resistance, just the existence erasure aspect of his slashes alone would kill Luffy.
It takes a certain set of special abilities to deal with someone who can't be killed by normal means, can't even be hit by normal means, and can instantly destroy everything around them with an absurd degree of hax.
This would come into play if he couldn't just literally instantly existence erasure the entire continent with Luffy included. An attack, btw, which is performed with the strongest of the swords of power, the others of which can cut the conceptual "point" of something or the boundaries between dream and reality. A sword slash that can cut through all kinds of magic, be it space or time manipulation or EMM, which allows the user to literally sidestep from this plane of existence. And it doesn't just cut through all kinds of magic; it can destroy the very source of all magic, the soul of the world itself. Boiling Reinhard's attacks down to just "spacial ability" is beyond reductive.
Although, without the proper resistance, just the existence erasure aspect of his slashes alone would kill Luffy.
It takes a certain set of special abilities to deal with someone who can't be killed by normal means, can't even be hit by normal means, and can instantly destroy everything around them with an absurd degree of hax.
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Nah vortech is tweaking, Reinhards balls fra 
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why isnt this closed yet 
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dunno what u talking about. cuz it said "Speed Equalized". Reinhard cant see Future, dude even Elza slower than Luffy still manage to dodge Reinhard.. It would appear to Luffy that Reinhard is look like popsicle moving so slow... look at katakuri explaination with his haki able to see 10 second in the future and know where exactly luffy what move he gona use within 10 second. Luffy haki also did the same to counter it.
its not prediction like sharingan LOL..
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Reinhard's perception speed is far above his combat speed, that is what's being said. In Speed Equal, this remains true.
Reinhard was not at all trying against Elsa, he explicitly did not otherwise he would have absorbed the mana out of the environment that Emilia was using to heal Rom. This is why he waited UNTIL Emilia was done to do his giga-omega-super-duper slash.
It's more like playing chess except you get a year per move and your opponent gets a minute.
His page is kinda old and I think the only thing that's changed as of recent are his stats, some wording and some smaller additions, but Cecilus has exactly the same ability (Reinhard upscales, even) and he's able to perceive his own movements as near-frozen.
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As is Luffy's to a far greater extent. Added on top of his several blitz amps I don't know how anyone can argue that Reinhard has a single speed stat above Luffy.
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I heard the chess thing was done on light is that true?
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Is it against Archaon?
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Luffys Blitz Amp when Reinhard bombs the **** out of the verse:
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Reinhard when speed is unequalized and Chopper blitzes him:
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they are well into FTL+ but there is a lack of calcReinhard when speed is unequalized and Chopper blitzes him:
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Check the verse page and go under speed =Pthey are well into FTL+ but there is a lack of calc
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i already know their speed, I am saying that ReZero transcendents have FTL+ feats (probably like 25c+) but they havent been calced yet due to being so recent in the novels
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