Zabazab
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It's passive, and it was confirmed that the Six Witches stand no chance against him, with only Sekhmet being able to stall him for a few moments.
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Reinhard van Astrea VS Gremmy Thoumeaux • (0-7-0)
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Fezzih_007
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Bastolan27
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Wouldn't he beat them due to the massive outstat? He doesn't have to resist anything when he one-shots them in less time than they can think.
Fezzih_007
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Is this character he "resist" https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Carmilla_(Re:Zero)
Is not on his profile yet trought.
Is not on his profile yet trought.
EldemadeDityjon
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Voting Gremmy for @Arcker123 reasons.
Zabazab
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Carmilla's Authority of Lust is passive, the difference in speed & power would mean nothing if he couldn't resist it.
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I vote Gremmy
Bastolan27
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Just read her profile, and this death manipulation is trash. It's quite literally a debuff that kills you eventually. Comparing this to Gremmy is like comparing the heat of a stove to the heat of the Sun.
Fezzih_007
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I counted 6 votes, we need one more to grace;
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Haven't seen a good counter for thought based EE. Voting Gremmy.
Zabazab
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I wouldn't call having your heart stopped "just a debuff". And again, he resists Julius' death hax which is just "it hits you and you die".
I don't even know why you're arguing for the death hax when the EE is an infinitely better option.
Bastolan27
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Give me a feat of Julius insta-killing someone, or is it a hyperbole? I'm arguing about death manipulation because killing someone through biological manipulation is not the same as killing someone because he thought about it, and they just died without any physical involvement at all. Reinhard resisting Carmila's heart stop ≠ Resisting Gremmy's Death Manip.
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Voting Gremmy for lack of answers to his EE.
Zabazab
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I don't get why you're acting like people in Carmilla's presence having their hearts passively stopped, killing them, isn't impressive death manipulation. It's not instant, but it does have the advantage of being naturally layered.
On Julius' page:
It's a certain-death blade. People hit by said blade are certain to die. It is still a possibly rating, due to the fact that the only individual it was used on was a Spirit that could puppet even a mangled corpse.
The only thing that would prove Gremmy has superior potency over Reinhard's death hax resistance would be a greater number of layers. Even then, Reinhard has resurrection.
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Not inherently.
If there's evidence that Gremmy's Death Manipulation can affect more metaphysicals constructs like the soul or mind, which isn't resisted by Reinhard, then he's being affected by Gremmy's ability despite the resistance since he's affecting things which aren't resisted by Reinhard's resistance. It wouldn't affect his physical body, but it would affect his spiritual and mental bodies.
I haven't seen evidence that Reinhard's Death Manipulation resistance extends to the spiritual and mental, just having a general resistance against both structures being damaged/interacted with isn't concrete enough evidence to argue for it extending to more esoteric abilities, like Death Manipulation.
Bastolan27
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Fezzih_007
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I was in the original thread where the ability got added btw, so i know;
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cus basically gremmy took the "im the strongest - kenpachi" line as a challenge to himself as "the strongest quincy" and so instead of insta kill he decided to show how above kenpachi he was
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Julius's attack on Petelgeuse damaged his Od right which contains both your mind and soul? Also Sirius's authority also attacks your mind and soul which was also resisted by Reinhard.
Pretty sure Reinhard resists that
Also Reinhard has instinctive action so the attack would start before a thought is even formed and the attack destroyed and restored the entire range of >2500km in a sjngle instant.
The question about why Gremmy would instantly run away was also not answered.
Another thing is that Reinhard actually speeds up his perception speed as well during fights
Pretty sure Reinhard resists that
Also Reinhard has instinctive action so the attack would start before a thought is even formed and the attack destroyed and restored the entire range of >2500km in a sjngle instant.
The question about why Gremmy would instantly run away was also not answered.
Another thing is that Reinhard actually speeds up his perception speed as well during fights
Fezzih_007
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I just gonna point out that Reinhard don't actually have the EE attack as a option here, because he only have that in his 5-C tier with Reid, and we using High 6-A.
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He has Reid with him as standard equipment. He will have that in his match. I am not restricting it.
Fezzih_007
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You don't have much option here, because is either Reinhard is 5-C and have Reid to use his EE, or he don't have Reid, and can't use his EE nuke, because the tier separation that involves him having or not having.
Well ok, i gonna sleep now.
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Bastolan27
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Damaging the soul is not equal to erasing the soul. If that were the case, every Bleach character would one-shot.
Fezzih_007
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Is not exactly restricted, the only thing he can't use is the EE attack of his, but he probally can use the sword just fine.
Hellscream
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"Just imagine what.. what if... your sword turned into a *****"
Arcker123
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No? It isn't restricted so he'd be able to use it.
Fezzih_007
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Well no, because he only uses that EE attack, when using the Moon level attack aswell.
He can't use while being High 6-A, don't matter If is restricted or not.
Zabazab
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Neither are restricted to their High 6-A stuff, they can both use their 5-C stuff afaik.
Arcker123
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Yeah this is what i'm saying.
Just because you're physically High 6-A and this is for the non smurf thread, doesn't mean your higher AP stuff is restricted
Fezzih_007
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Ah, i din't know you could ignore rules like that, that's cool. 
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Bastolan27
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The Thread was updated now they are not restricted to High 6-A.Ah, i din't know you could ignore rules like that, that's cool.
Fezzih_007
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Oh, thats cool.
I mean, is already grace, so my comment don't really matter. And also...
I mean, is already grace, so my comment don't really matter. And also...
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Rest in....nvm fhere wont even be pieces left here
