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That's an assumption you're making, not a fact.
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One Piece speed downgrade (revised)
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an assumption that is 100% back up by evidence
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It's not an unfounded one though.
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Exacly what I was talking about, the other lasers "that are not from his eyes" are already falling, some time already went by after the eye laser.
Exacly because he is facing downwards it's him jumping forward, his hand is ahead of his body, if he was falling flat he would be either falling on his feat or his hand would be bellow his body not ahead.
No panel show Sanji jump out of the way of the eye laser, panel 3 only shows Sanji is in the air at some unknown time after a second attack from Queen already happened, you are assuming that he jumped to get out of the way of the laser as we have no idea how he dodged since it's not shown. It's clear panel 3 is some significant time after he dodged the eye laser since we can see the follow up with his other beams and an additional explosion from another attack. Heck we have no ideia if the explosion on the background is even made by the eye laser or if it was other attacks made after that.
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it is where Sanji fell to in panel 1 and sanji jumps from that location in panel 3...
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That's your assumption, panel 1 shows Sanji falling on the floor, panel 3 shows Sanji in the air, you are assiming he jumped when we have clear evidence panel 3 happened significant time after panel 1 and 2.
I saw you mentioned Queen's words I have no idea what you talking about none of his words suggest that, if something his words say he copied Grma's moved and the laser eye is just a part of the entire move "Sparking Valkyrie", meaning he is saying that after he released the second part with his "hand beams" making it even more clear that happened after the full attack instead of being a direct show of him dodging the eye laser
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Sanji's "ahh" happening within the same panel as Sanji jumping indicates that he jumped as a reaction of Queen's laser. There's nothing that really implies that Sanji would have moved prior to the lasers being shot.
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yee I think your deliberately acting obtuse now... There's no point in responding anymore if that's the case, I've already answered and told you why Sanji only jumped once as he's coming/jumping from the location he was at in panel 1
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"Ahh" is vague, and why would Sanji be reacting with an "ahh" when he is already in a safe distance from the eye laser? The most logical is that he is reacting to the second explosion that just happened right next to him which we can see on painel 3.
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How do you know he jumped from painel 1? He could have just run away after standing up or using his hands to take his body out of the way of the laser. There is no evidence that he jumped from Painel 1 location to where he is in painel 3, that's an assumption
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it literally is shown from the floor being the same position and near the same angle of panel 1... He jumps to the panel screen from there
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I agree with this, that's why I said he doesn't need to reposition and just can mive around and jump forward in low-end of calc.
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He literally is about to land on his hand like luffy does here
It is literally common sense that when you've jump too far forward, in the air you'll start rotating down and fall downwards... Which is what's shown with sanji
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The entire floor is all the same, they are inside a building. It makes no sense to be the same place when Queen just shot attacks forward and Sanji is far from there, whatever happened Sanji travelled quite a bit far from his inicial position on panel 1 or he would have been hit by the explosion. "Same angle or same position" that's artistic choice it has no influence on what's shown and it doesn't say nothing about the scene. If Oda had drawn in a different perspective he could have shown Sanji movements to tell that he jumped directly from the first panel, but he chose a panel that doesn't show Sanji's movement, he chose to draw a second explosion, and he chose to draw an adicional barrage of attacks coming from above so clearly he didn't meant it to be a direct sequence.
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I've literally explained panel by panel the sequence and what is happening... You've ignored that plus everything else that's shown from the manga, this is simply your problem of not understanding what's happening by what they are saying and where sanji has been located at... The manga shows his positioning that he's at, which is to the right in that area near Queen until he jumps, the sentencing debunks that it has gone forward in time as your insinuating
Also you say second explosion as if there aren't two lasers coming from his eyes...
The page before also show the same thing while sanji is stuck in the air and the lasers are continuing shooting at his previous position...
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You stated your interpretation with your assumptions. You assume that he jumped from his location in panel 1 to his location in panel 2 when there is no evidence that actually happened.
2 lasers pointing at the same place very close to each other doesn't make 2 explosions that are at different distances when both are pointing to the same spot. Either Queen has eye problems with each eye shooting in different directions or those are 2 different explosions.
And that page shows a single explosion not 2 explosions. The feat that is being calced is not that one, the panels shows different things.
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it looks pretty straightforward imo, sanji falls on his upper back upside down while queen fires sparking valkyrie lasers, and sanji jumps out of the way. The angle of the 1st and 2nd panel looks pretty much the same from where the ground is at, and based off chapter 898, when ichiji uses sparking valkyrie to hit oven, he doesnt shoot 2 lasers from the eyes and then aoe lasers, but instead its both aoe lasers and two eyeball lasers ath the same time.
So in the second panel where queen shoots from his eyes, hes shooting both the aoe lasers and eyeball lasers at the same time. In the 3rd panel, there are multiple aoe lasers, but those arent separate from the eyeball lasers, its all together going by how sparking valkyrie functions in chapter 898.
So in the second panel where queen shoots from his eyes, hes shooting both the aoe lasers and eyeball lasers at the same time. In the 3rd panel, there are multiple aoe lasers, but those arent separate from the eyeball lasers, its all together going by how sparking valkyrie functions in chapter 898.
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imo for a manga like one piece where they're made in a rushed way with enough details to let the anime fill things out, it should be okay to assume things happen in between since oda can't put time and energy drawing every little detail with all his workload, naturally he would rely on Toei to explain and expand on those
the interpretation that it would have been shown wouldnt be bad if it wasnt one piece manga
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This is definitely not a thing… the anime only gets approved by Oda if they were to want add something that wasn’t in the manga…
Oda isn’t rushing the manga at all (hence he has said before that he doesn’t have control or know when op ends), and if he didn’t have enough time to finish, he would just go on break as he’s already been doing
This isn’t even an argument unless you have proof of what your saying because from what I’ve seen in interviews and everything this is not what Oda does with his manga
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He has to make sure to put out enough content so as to not make the anime run out of content sooo
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He does not think about the anime when he is working on his manga, he literally says he puts his trust on his team and has nothing to do with it
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Because? Anime Adaptations are one of the biggest advertisers for a manga series, I may not be well versed in one piece but mangaka in general most certainly care about these things lol
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I think this point is getting a bit meta. To get the discussion back on track slightly for wrapping this up.
At present, I think one other Calc Group Member currently supports my viewpoint. @MonkeyOfLife Would you be willing to amend the calc with my suggestions? If you'd prefer not to, then I understand.
At present, I think one other Calc Group Member currently supports my viewpoint. @MonkeyOfLife Would you be willing to amend the calc with my suggestions? If you'd prefer not to, then I understand.
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Could they re confirmed if they still do?
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RustyOne's last comment agreed with me here.
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…I mean sure, if they changed their view point later on we can just change it later I guess
When I get home I’ll edit the calc
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Thanks, I do appreciate it.
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can I see a scan for that, also that can mean hes not involved in production not that he doesnt care about the anime
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Alright
Point Retracted
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I still do agree with Damage.
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Thanks. I'm fine with either version 3 or version 4 of MonkeyOfLife's new calc, leaning towards version 4.
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I’ve found ways we can account for sanji’s 3rd movement, when I get home I’ll present it
Using v4 distance however makes no sense, he would already been hit by it/gone past him when standing back up, using a body part furthest away in the past makes no sense whatsoever
Using v4 distance however makes no sense, he would already been hit by it/gone past him when standing back up, using a body part furthest away in the past makes no sense whatsoever
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Sorry, but I'm sick and have a nasty headache. My mind can't really focus on much right now.
Monkey also seems to have something else to bring up so it's best to wait for him anyway.
I'm keepingh my eye on this thread though, so you don't need to worry about that.
Monkey also seems to have something else to bring up so it's best to wait for him anyway.
I'm keepingh my eye on this thread though, so you don't need to worry about that.
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ok, so after Sanji stood back up and rotated away from the laser, he would've had to jump away
He would've leaned forward at least 38 degrees for his face to be facing the ground at the ending result of his jump. He also would've at least moved away from the width of the 2 lasers line of fire
These are 2 minimums which should be fine to use for the feat
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