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One Piece speed downgrade (revised)

Okay, I'm feeling better. And despite reading through all of this again I can safely say I still agree with what Damage's post here.

Sanji just needs to move out of the way before it hits him, so that's the minimum distance, I'd say it's the width of the laser itself. I've said this before, but Sanji doesn't need to stand back up, turn, and flip to dodge the laser. He could dodge from that position with his superhuman abilities, he's not limited like we are in the real world.

From what I'm reading, nothing in the panel prevents Sanji from just moving away. The third panel with the explosions happens after he dodged, so trying to reason he moved into that pose before the lasers reached him is absurd. What I've put down still fits with what the manga shows us and is the safest interpretation.

I do not agree with what Monkey is saying. That Sanji needs to get up, turn, and move whatever degrees in the same timeframe as the lasers take to reach his position.

I'll not be arguing my position any further. Not saying anyone cannot post a disagreement, just that if it doesn't convince me don't expect me to continue arguing. I'm not in the mental state to have some long heated discussions. If you haven't been convinced yet I don't know what you expect me to do.

Obviously, I'll be keeping my eyes on this thread and if my position ever changes I'll inform everyone here of it. But from what I'm seeing I doubt that it will change.
 
Thank you greatly for helping out. That part of our argument here seems to have been concluded then. 🙏
 
That_moron2 said:
If Sanji's calc ends up as the only FTL calc, then could it be called an outlier?
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I do not think so. Sanji is one of the swiftest characters, FTL is not particularly higher than other speed feats, and Kizaru is canonically moving at lightspeed.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Okay, I'm feeling better. And despite reading through all of this again I can safely say I still agree with what Damage's post here.

Sanji just needs to move out of the way before it hits him, so that's the minimum distance, I'd say it's the width of the laser itself. I've said this before, but Sanji doesn't need to stand back up, turn, and flip to dodge the laser. He could dodge from that position with his superhuman abilities, he's not limited like we are in the real world.

From what I'm reading, nothing in the panel prevents Sanji from just moving away. The third panel with the explosions happens after he dodged, so trying to reason he moved into that pose before the lasers reached him is absurd. What I've put down still fits with what the manga shows us and is the safest interpretation.

I do not agree with what Monkey is saying. That Sanji needs to get up, turn, and move whatever degrees in the same timeframe as the lasers take to reach his position.

I'll not be arguing my position any further. Not saying anyone cannot post a disagreement, just that if it doesn't convince me don't expect me to continue arguing. I'm not in the mental state to have some long heated discussions. If you haven't been convinced yet I don't know what you expect me to do.

Obviously, I'll be keeping my eyes on this thread and if my position ever changes I'll inform everyone here of it. But from what I'm seeing I doubt that it will change.
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So you are just in support of a whole other method then

Completely disagree with it tho, Sanji literally cannot dodge from that position at all? Your basically ignoring the position he is in and saying all he needs to do is just dodge the laser (Which would be impossible even with superhuman abilities if his legs are in the air) and would go against the manga of Sanji jumping out of the way... If all he did was just dodge the eye lasers, he would've then been hit by the other lasers coming right after... The page before is literally him jumping far above to dodge Queen's lasers, you cannot just "dodge" sparking valkyrie, you need to move away from the huge aoe of laser spams as well

I literally do not understand what your trying to argue as it simply does not make any sense to what's literally shown and always been shown, this to me just looks like you're disagreeing just to disagree because saying"He could dodge from that position with his superhuman abilities, he's not limited like we are in the real world" Means literally nothing as that isn't the case at all? He would still have to rotate no matter what unless he reality warps and skips his motions...

You don't need to argue against this if you don't want to but this is absolutely an insane take.
Damage3245 said:
Yep. I have nothing else to add to the thread currently. I think we can go ahead with Version 4 of Monkey's calculation and apply it to to the verse / profiles, and wrap this thread up.
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So do you think this is fine to add for the method?
MonkeyOfLife said:
ok, so after Sanji stood back up and rotated away from the laser, he would've had to jump away

He would've leaned forward at least 38 degrees for his face to be facing the ground at the ending result of his jump. He also would've at least moved away from the width of the 2 lasers line of fire

These are 2 minimums which should be fine to use for the feat
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MonkeyOfLife said:
Sanji literally cannot dodge from that position at all? Your basically ignoring the position he is in and saying all he needs to do is just dodge the laser (Which would be impossible even with superhuman abilities if his legs are in the air) and would go against the manga of Sanji jumping out of the way... If all he did was just dodge the eye lasers, he would've then been hit by the other lasers coming right after... The page before is literally him jumping far above to dodge Queen's lasers, you cannot just "dodge" sparking valkyrie, you need to move away from the huge aoe of laser spams as well

I literally do not understand what your trying to argue as it simply does not make any sense to what's literally shown and always been shown, this to me just looks like you're disagreeing just to disagree because saying"He could dodge from that position with his superhuman abilities, he's not limited like we are in the real world" Means literally nothing as that isn't the case at all? He would still have to rotate no matter what unless he reality warps and skips his motions...
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@TheRustyOne

If you have the energy to evaluate this information, what do you think? 🙏
 
soo I guess we are are just going to ignore every problem I've brought up from the calcs and solutions to those problems and just implement them? Like what is even happening?

I could also make a different thread to fix the problems, since this thread has become prolonged with many different arguments already
 
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Shadow_x007x said:
Calculation 3 will be adjusted from 3.61c to 0.93c.
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Btw I suggested that we can measure Macro's size through King's blade in the panel where wing was cut (we can find width of wing and then calculate from that).
TheRustyOne said:
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Damage3245 said:
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What do you think about this? I think at least it's better than using size of hybrid form.

Edit: Of course if you don't think that Macro didn't transform before moving.
 
Shadow_x007x said:
We need CGM to provide their input here first, after which we will finalize the thread as follows:

Calculation 1 will be adjusted from 10.66c to 1.35c.

Calculation 2 will be removed.

Calculation 3 will be adjusted from 3.61c to 0.93c.
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I'm fine with all of this for right now. Apologies for the late reply.

MonkeyOfLife said:
soo I guess we are are just going to ignore every problem I've brought up from the calcs and solutions to those problems and just implement them? Like what is even happening?

I could also make a different thread to fix the problems, since this thread has become prolonged with many different arguments already
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This entire thread is a mess in all honesty, the topics seem to jump from one calculation to the other in between long gaps of nothing happening.

If you're unsatisfied, you can make another thread to correct what you disagree with.

Note: I gave my opinions very heavily on both Sanji and Marco, my thoughts remain unchanged, just to make that clear.
 
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