Ok, Let's Talk Kashin Koji (Boruto CRT)

[DuDE01010]

Going with option 4.

I'm not going to ignore 2 chapters worth of feats, supporting statements (and the following anime episode) and call every single one of them outliers just because of one statement for Koji for a fight that never happened.

 

[theultimate5105]

The inconsistencies don't exist
Naruto and Sasuke performed better against Isshiki then Jigen so unless you say Jigen>Isshiki they either need new keys or it won't be inconsistent
going with option 4

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Option 4 is fine but it’s not necessary for me.

 

[Arkenis]

Yea I mostly agree with Base Koji~Delta or higher, then 10x with sm.
And yea no Sasuke and Naruto shouldn't scale to Isshiki but scale to Base Jigen ig? Only baryon should scale to Isshiki for obvious reason
Basically I'm fine with 3 or 4. Like naruto and sasuke should have RPL since part 2.

 

[Popted2]

I'm going with 4

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Ok, if any staff are here, please listen: the name of the profile must be changed from Kashin Koji to Koji Kashin. We don’t have Uzumaki Naruto as the profile name.

 

[Reio35]

I debunked the arguments for not scaling base Koji to Jigen there is no controversy regarding that.

To scale Koji to delta in base would only at best give a possibly given we don’t know if he planned to use sage mode to defeat her.

My method of scaling has damn near been accepted with the only contention wanting to scale Naruto and Sasuke to Ishiki even after he stomped them. Can we please not screw this up it’s gone long enough already.

we all know how long Naruto supporters have wanted low 5-B

You didn't debunk anything. Koji beating delta in base is an assumption. Considering naruto could barely beat dealta. Just cause he started the fight in base does not mean anything. Many characters in general don't start fights in their strongest forms. We literal see base koji attempt to fight isshiki even after sensing his power. Same goes for naruto. Btw dealt also was in base. We know when she fought naruto she can charge up into a stronger mode.

This also contradicts the narrative. Literal stated multiple times that they couldn't beat jigen let alone isshiki. Which implies they did not get over 10× stronger. Koji himself even stated alone they have bo chance of beating jigen. But naruto and sasuke together have a very small chance of winning. So when amado said they had a chance of beating isshiki he was talking about them both together. This statement is also flawed because amado only knows how strong they are based off their fight against jigen which they got wrecked in. So how would koji be weaker than them both if he beat jigen in base? This either makes amados claims unreliable,isshiki isn't that much more powerful than jigen,koji actually fought a 10% power level jigen or this is just a plane inconsistency. However the most logical assumption is that jigen was several weakened if we go with amados statements. Because as he points out now that hes weakend they koji has the power to take him out.


People have already pointed out that chakra can correlate to stats. As shown with kaguya. When she gained more chakra zetsu said here strength and speed increased. When naruto fought tendo pain he was able to beat him in base after he was fatigued and we know tendo pain at full power can match sage naruto who is wayy above base.

But it doesn't really matter at this point the staff already gave their verdict.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Reio, could you possibly simplify what you said? Also, how is Naruto barely being able to heat Delta contradictory to Koji in base beating her?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Considering naruto could barely beat dealta.

Did u really really read the manga or watche the anime?
cause i doubt anyone who did will say Naruto barely beat her (Since that will be the case against kaguya)

 

[Reio35]

Reio, could you possibly simplify what you said? Also, how is Naruto barely being able to heat Delta contradictory to Koji in base beating her?

I will break it down for you. Koji verbatim stated naruto won't be able to beat jigen based off his performance against delta. Then he says even with Sasuke helping naruto they have a very small chance of beating him.

Next we have amado saying koji has no chance of beating isshiki and naruto and sasuke have a small chance. However amado only knows how powerful naruto and sasuke is based off their fight with jigen. Which they lost. Yet plp are saying base koji scales to jigen who is relative to the jigen naruto and sasuke fought. So this would contradict what amado said.

If koji in base scales to jigen and in sage mode he's 10× stronger. Then jigen would have made amado kill koji. Amado clearly explained that he had to destroy all androids that were stronger than jigen. So that would mean koji had to be weaker than jigen at full power

 

[theultimate5105]

I will break it down for you. Koji verbatim stated naruto won't be able to beat jigen based off his performance against delta. Then he says even with Sasuke helping naruto they have a very small chance of beating him.

Next we have amado saying koji has no chance of beating isshiki and naruto and sasuke have a small chance. However amado only knows how powerful naruto and sasuke is based off their fight with jigen. Which they lost. Yet plp are saying base koji scales to jigen who is relative to the jigen naruto and sasuke fought. So this would contradict what amado said.

If koji in base scales to jigen and in sage mode he's 10× stronger. Then jigen would have made amado kill koji. Amado clearly explained that he had to destroy all androids that were stronger than jigen. So that would mean koji had to be weaker than jigen at full power

First off Jigen doesn't even know some are still around and Koji could be built afterwards and SM koji might not have been known

 

[Reio35]

Did u really really read the manga or watche the anime?
cause i doubt anyone who did will say Naruto barely beat her (Since that will be the case against kaguya)

He seemed fatigued by the end of the fight he also said he was going all out. Koji aslo said based on his fight with delta he would lose to jigen which he was right.

 

[Kin201]

4. Same as the above, but we scale SPSM Naruto and New Era Sasuke to Low 5-B by scaling him to Isshiki who stomped Sage Mode Kashin Koji. This could be from possible Reactive Power Level and assume Naruto and Sasuke got much stronger after the Jigen fight, in which case we make 2 keys for them. This in turn would make No Limiters Code and Baryon Mode Naruto also Low 5-B.

Option 4 is nonsense and apparently was rejected by most of the staff. Naruto and Sasuke didn't get any stronger by sitting and doing nothing in one day. Again, they don't scale to Isshiki in any ways shapes or forms in their fight, they got stomped until Baryon Mode. They seemingly performed better against Isshiki even without using their most powerful transformations is PIS or outlier and also because they knew how he fought or something like that (At least that's what we have agreed apparently). They didn't grow strong enough to stomp Jigen, who previously thrashed them, period.

 

[Arkenis]

Idk why we can't just go with Koji being likely relative to delta. It's really not that crazy. Also iirc Jigen also tends to use Koji for missions over Delta because he has more trust in Koji. I'll find the scans for this if I remember it.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Did we not have a majority agreement on:
KK: “5-C (comparable to Delta, swapped hands with Jigen), Low 5-B with Sage Mode (10x amp)”
Isshiki: “Low 5-B (Dookied on SM KK)”
Naruto: “Low 5-B with Baryon Mode (Overwhelmed Isshiki)”
Code: “Low 5-B with white karma or sumn (stuff)”
?

 

[Arkenis]

Did we not have a majority agreement on:
KK: “5-C (comparable to Delta, swapped hands with Jigen), Low 5-B with Sage Mode (10x amp)”
Isshiki: “Low 5-B (Dookied on SM KK)”
Naruto: “Low 5-B with Baryon Mode (Overwhelmed Isshiki)”
Code: “Low 5-B with white karma or sumn (stuff)”
?

Yes. I feel like people just forgetting the amount of agreement we've had on multiple lines of scaling.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Can that be applied and then the purpose of this Kashin Koji thread can be fulfilled and closed. Deal with Nard and Sauce in another thread?

 

[Reio35]

First off Jigen doesn't even know some are still around and Koji could be built afterwards and SM koji might not have been known

Verbatim stated by amado he disposed of all androids stronger than jigen

So there's no way possible for base koj or even sage mode to be stronger than jigen

 

[Arkenis]

Verbatim stated by amado he disposed of all androids stronger than jigen

So there's no way possible for base koj or even sage mode to be stronger than jigen

the scan after this implies he came up with Koji to use to beat Jigen. He says something like "so that lead me to Koji"
And honestly going off how Jigen didn't know Koji was made from Jiraiya's genes would kinda imply Koji was made to beat Jigen. But it's whatever. He clashes with Isshiki in sm for a little so I think that should also be used.

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Can that be applied and then the purpose of this Kashin Koji thread can be fulfilled and closed. Deal with Nard and Sauce in another thread?

Yeah, this is getting annoying, all arguments are kinda the same at this point.

 

[Arkenis]

the scan after this implies he came up with Koji to use to beat Jigen. He says something like "so that lead me to Koji"
And honestly going off how Jigen didn't know Koji was made from Jiraiya's genes would kinda imply Koji was made to beat Jigen. But it's whatever. He clashes with Isshiki in sm for a little so I think that should also be used.

Scan I was talking about. Amado got rid of the other cyborgs and came up with Koji to beat Jigen. So he likely hid Koji's power from Jigen

 

[Kin201]

Can that be applied and then the purpose of this Kashin Koji thread can be fulfilled and closed. Deal with Nard and Sauce in another thread?

I don't know if anyone can apply the changes. Probably gonna need Antvastima to ping the staff again to ask them to open the profile just to make sure if it was really accepted.

Edit: Koji's profile isn't locked, nvm.

 

[Reio35]

the scan after this implies he came up with Koji to use to beat Jigen. He says something like "so that lead me to Koji"
And honestly going off how Jigen didn't know Koji was made from Jiraiya's genes would kinda imply Koji was made to beat Jigen. But it's whatever. He clashes with Isshiki in sm for a little so I think that should also be used.

Im sure jigen would have known kojis power level just like all the other bots. He just didn't know his identity which is irrelevant to his power level. Also koji verbatim stated that after naruto and sasuke drained jigen was his only chance to take him down. Which implies hes weaker than him either way

 

[Arkenis]

Pretty obvious Sm koji scales somewhat to Isshiki

 

[Arkenis]

Im sure jigen would have known kojis power level just like all the other bots. He just didn't know his identity which is irrelevant to his power level. Also koji verbatim stated that after naruto and sasuke drained jigen was his only chance to take him down. Which implies hes weaker than him either way

That's fine then. I think he should just be scaled to Delta at least.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Anyway the accepted people that scales to Low 5B are:
Isshiki sama
SM KK
Code

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Baryon Mode Nard^

 

[PrinceofPein]

A new thread should be started if u want to scale SPSM nard and rinnegan sauce.
There are other threads going on about that, the justifications from all these threads can be taken and started as a single CRT.
that will be better, i am tired of seeing low 5B naruto upscale CRTs

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

Has this been accepted completely? I feel like we should have enough to apply the upgrades, I also just really want this thread to end.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

I agree with option 3.

 

[joshpiece]

I honestly wtf did you even read this thread reio. Your arguments have already been debunked your just spouting nonsense.

Has this been accepted completely? I feel like we should have enough to apply the upgrades, I also just really want this thread to end.

Yes the Main part of this has been accepted and another thread needs to be made dealing with Naruto and Sasuke

 

[Fastestthingalive50]

I think we should wait for that, we need time to rest after all of this.

 

[joshpiece]

And honestly wtf are those list of arguments do we just wanna restart this thread all over again Like come on

 

[StrawHatArslan]

Might as well accept what you guys got, instead of continously dragging it with repetitive arguments. Let the current changes happen lmao.

 

[Arkenis]

So what rating and description is Koji getting?

 

[Arkenis]

"Moon level, Small Planet level in Sage Mode (Able to clash with Isshiki, 10x stronger than base)"

 

[Arkenis]

If no one doing it I'll do it.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

do we have staff that have accepted this?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think we should ask permission first so that all staff that have contributed are aware.

 

[Kin201]

We can ping them.