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Why would he waste energy on weaklings?
And what do you think knohmaru is
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A top tier with Rasen Barricade.
They aren’t weak it’s stated this chapter had it not been regen the wound would’ve been fatal. So they aren’t weaklings if they can fatally harm him.
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No they don't. At least not as far as we know. The difference between them that's necessary is completely unknown.
Yeah again we don't know how the interactions work so we don't know what the difference has to be.
It's not a refutation but an argument. An elemental disadvantage can completely nullify an attack.
This is completely out of context can you send the whole scan? Also it says it's "sometimes possible to push back the opposing jutsu" but always will.that doesnt really matter, we know Hidari's jutsu didnt entirely overpower his jutsu which is what would happen in the event of 1 jutsu being significantly stronger than the other, elemental affinity or not.
And Konohamarus jutsu is a spiral barrier so it's very likely it just disperses attacks meaning there's not much for him to bet hit back with.
I wouldn't say it's overly conservative. We straight up don't know how much he scales to it.
We know for a fact he had an elemental advantage AND that he did get blasted away despite that. He clearly doesn't scale to the full value at all. Scaling him to the full value would directly imply he can fully block Uzuhiko which is just not true.
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I just want to point out that that scan speaks about Same Vs Same (I.E., the examples were Kakashi Raiton vs Kakuzu Raiton, and Itachi’s Katon vs Sasuke’s Katon.no both jutsu have to be comparable to a degree, which is why you can still overpower someone who has the chakra nature advantage over you.
Both Sarada and Boruto bombarded Shinki with lightning release because thats what he was weak to and it still had no effect until boruto pulled out purple lightning, this is because if the gap in power between Jutsu is too wide the elemental advantage becomes ineffective. once again the same reason it took a platoon of suiton users to counter Madara's fire style.
this doesnt refute what i said
that doesnt really matter, we know Hidari's jutsu didnt entirely overpower his jutsu which is what would happen in the event of 1 jutsu being significantly stronger than the other, elemental affinity or not.
even if we were overly conservative and said he downscales to baseline, he would still be in the same tier
Aside from that, this is correct. Although I really think we should have greater standards for scaling certain characters.
It doesn’t feel right having characters like Konohamaru scaling to such levels without narrative justification, and it seems a lot of people are willing to just hand wave that concern because the feats exist.
Narrative Consistency has to play a part in these discussiins imo at least, and I’d rather not chuck it up to PIS.
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If he was then he’d have hype behind him.
My bad sarada and the weaklings
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You gotta catch up dudeI left for a while and suddenly Boruto is 5-B
https://vsbattles.com/threads/boruto-rasengan-uzuhiko-implementation.168511/
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This isn't even the worst stat disparity I've ever seen. Comics Captain America is an 8-C with a H1-B shield
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I see literally no problem with Konohamaru scaling that high. There’s no supporting evidence to Hidari holding back nor is there any valid reason for him to do so.
Obviously, he doesn’t scale to Hidari at all physically. He was knocked back and possibly unconscious by the aftermath of said attack. But that doesn’t dispute the fact that his RB stopped Hidari Piercing attack from getting to him. Most contentions are just the he uneasiness of Konohamaru scaling that high
Obviously, he doesn’t scale to Hidari at all physically. He was knocked back and possibly unconscious by the aftermath of said attack. But that doesn’t dispute the fact that his RB stopped Hidari Piercing attack from getting to him. Most contentions are just the he uneasiness of Konohamaru scaling that high
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Well uh, we already kinda ignore the narrative a bit the moment we scale Sakura and the Five Kages to 5-C. Feats > Everything else.
Konohamaru did get blasted away even with the shield, but he didn't instantly die from it so 5-B shield is reasonable. Maybe downscale to Baseline 5-B, at worst.
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This is just a durabilty scale, it's not ridiculous that he can block attacks beyond her level with her new defensive rasengan technique
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Blocking something of a higher lvl isn’t to bad but I don’t hidari is using his full strength like dose inojin scale to 5-b cuz he survived a kick from jura?
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Endurance isn't about stats tho. If Isshiki kicked off Naruto's arm or punched a hole through Sasuke's stomach and they kept fighting that'd be endurance, but their bodies remained just fine. We also see in literally the same fight that it's not like the series is afraid of showing grievous injuries, as Isshiki breaks Boruto's arm.
That can just be because while Isshiki was trying to kill them, he didn't put in every ounce of his power into his attacks. So they scale to his regular output, just not his absolute full power. That or Naruto and Sasuke getting stronger, though I'm iffy on that.
Very different situation. There it would've been disadvantageous to simply kick a hole through him, as he was trying to throw Minato backwards to hit Gaara. It's also just an isolated incident as compared to a whole fight of Naruto and Sasuke taking Isshiki's attacks.
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Tbh I don't see a need to downsacle.
Chidori would already be amping hidaris ap well above his normal stats anyway. Coupled with there being no actual indication that he was holding back much if at all. It's also important to consider that many of these characters are being put into these situations to show how much they've grown and that they can hang with the god teirs in some capacity. We see it withh sarada landing a lethal blow on hidari, and we see it with konohamur through his defensive rasengan.
Chidori would already be amping hidaris ap well above his normal stats anyway. Coupled with there being no actual indication that he was holding back much if at all. It's also important to consider that many of these characters are being put into these situations to show how much they've grown and that they can hang with the god teirs in some capacity. We see it withh sarada landing a lethal blow on hidari, and we see it with konohamur through his defensive rasengan.
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Shinobi naturally grow in power due to fighting, this has been established already. Literally every person who uses Chakra naturally grows stronger just by fighting like they're all Saiyans from DBZ.
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people also need to realize we not in 2014 anymore. we are like 20 + scaling chains removed from the former god tiers in shippuden.
the Godtier now is Shibai.
the Godtier now is Shibai.
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I mean I don't doubt that they grew stronger in some capacity, I'm just doubtful that they got a Kurama Avatar/Perfect Susanoo level amp from one fight. Wouldn't be the first time characters have gained huge fighting amps in a short period of time, but still.
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With the way Boruto has been going I wouldn't be surprised if they did tbh.
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Maybe the only problem is that they still implied they were significantly below Jigen
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True but not everyone potential for growth is the same. Like didn’t Ao say he’d never reach the strength of the ten tails no matter how much he trained or something like that?
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Tbf didn't Jigen also deliberately hit their avatars as hard as he could because it was the only way to quickly take them down before his time ran out or some shit?
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Possibly, you could also use jigen admitting it take to much energy to kill Naruto or something like that
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I mean that's not explicitly stated but it can definitely be inferred from the fact that his body started failing immediately after the fight
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The discussion is them downscaling from Isshiki which makes them 5-B
MinatoSparkle
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I'm fine with that but perhaps we could get a staff vote just in case it doesn't require arguing
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You could also argue Isshiki held back against Naruto and Sasuke as his body couldn't handle his power.
We see Sasuke react to him in base despite Isshiki greatly outscaling even his susanoo and later ******** on him. Hell Isshiki even hurt a weakened Baryon mode Naruto with 5 minutes left to live and Sasuke still couldn't do anything to him at that point so I find it unlikely that they would scale to him without baryon mode.
We see Sasuke react to him in base despite Isshiki greatly outscaling even his susanoo and later ******** on him. Hell Isshiki even hurt a weakened Baryon mode Naruto with 5 minutes left to live and Sasuke still couldn't do anything to him at that point so I find it unlikely that they would scale to him without baryon mode.
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What's being argued here is Naruto and Sasuke downscaling from Isshiki rather than scaling right to him.
A 59.4 ZT character would still get absolutely demolished by a 600 ZT character. Though I don't think there's enough evidence that warrants scaling NaruSasu up there.
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What Padaruyos said (other than the last sentence)
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In regard to Naruto and Sasuke, I mean… their feats in the dimension Boruto took them to, warrants a greater discussion.
As Arc said, maybe this thread isn’t the place, but I agree along the lines of @MinatoSparkle
As Arc said, maybe this thread isn’t the place, but I agree along the lines of @MinatoSparkle
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Narratively, there’s a clear distinction in power between Jigen and Isshiki so much enough that Shikamaru states a being that far surpasses Jigen is still infact below Isshiki, but the difference being large enough to be thousands of times below the latter is absurd
Well, as arc said there might (usopp laugh) be a revision to close in the distance which would make the meta a whole lot more comprehensible
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He wasted enough to create a Chidori.
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