No, I just said that absorbing chakra from someone can temprorarily amp you. It can depend on the quantity, and also the quality of absorbed chakra. Kakashi only got a small amount of six paths chakra, but because it is a high quality chakra it gave him a huge boost.
Madara has 9 tomoes when he first awakens the Rinne-Sharingan. After that, he is seen with six tomoes. That is not different from Sasuke's own tomoes throughout the arc. Sasuke awakens 6 tomoes, one panel later he has 8-9. When seeing Madara's Limbo, he has 6, four panels later he has 0 tomoes and just a regular Rinnegan. We can't forget that Kishimoto designed Sasuke with only 3 tomoes on the Jin no Sho as well.
I see, an argument of art error can be made with no doubt but the problem is that it's too weak to "debunk" my arguments that I made throughout the discussion, Sasuke had shown like 2 panels with an art error and Kaguya too, but comparing it to the number of times that their eyes show consistency in, its unnoticeable but in Madara case, he got nine tomoes after activating the Rinne-Sharingan and used a lot of chakra then he landed with six tomoes then he right straight made a full convo about his plan then got stabbed by Zetsu with those same six tomoes and made another convo with Zetsu with the same number until the last moment when we ever saw him he got his nine tomoes back after absorbing a ton of chakra.
Madara only appears in a few panels with less tomoes. Sasuke and Kaguya have the consistency because unlike Madara they didn't die minutes after awakening their dojutsu, that's why we know that Sasuke has 6 tomoes and Kaguya has 9, even though they appeared with more or less many times [Kaguya appearing with 6 and 9 tomoes in one page]. Madara was seen with 7 tomoes as well before activating the Infinite Tsukuyomi. In the same chapter [678] that Madara appears with 6, Sasuke only has a regular Rinnegan again with no tomoes. Depending on how far characters are in the frame or how small their overall frame is, they are more likely to have more or less tomoes. The Rinne-Sharingan only has its full 9 tomoes in close-ups. Even in big frames there can be errors, as seen here.
Madara inflated exactly because he couldn't handle that much chakra and she could. I don't see how Madara could be equal to her.
I really got bored from this thread, repeating my words again and again, so I will make this as my last post, I will debunk the art error argument as its the only
Says who ? The guy with literally no argument to begin with , anyways idk why I'm still here , have a nice day my guy.
Proof it’s an art error? That argument has been used against Dragon Ball back in the day.
Art Error ? After all the proofs I came with, dude this website is gonna make me crazy.
Tbh with the way he ratioed it, I think it's fair to say you'd need more than "it's an art error" to debunk that
Madara has far, far less appearances than Sasuke. So a couple more errors on him will skew the ratios heavily compared to a couple more for Sasuke.
Literally read the chapter. Not only is it an art error but you can also read what Naruto said about Kaguya (when Madara was mutating) like this isn't hard to understand at all
That's not the case ofc since there's no way art errors would be 3 times the real art in numbers or would you say that Madara actually has 6 tomoes in normal ??
That Naruto never met 9 Tomoes Madara to begin with. so, Nope.
They just can't, the only argument that they made so far is the art error one, other than it, was just a time waste
Yeah ya right, ya did waste our timeThey just can't, the only argument that they made so far is the art error one, other than it, was just a time waste
Is that supposed to mean something as a response?
Is your reply suppose to be sarcastic or ignorant?
Ignorant, for how poorly you just explained yourself.
Well congrats, you seem not to be able to understand anything simple
They just can't, the only argument that they made so far is the art error one, other than it, was just a time waste
Translation: Yes, I don’t have any other arguments other than “lol [My headcanon] art error”
Your Translation: I didn't read Naruto so in [My Headcanon] im going to think that something as simple as an error doesn't exist
Faxs. But Art Error? What supports the Art Error argument?
I wasn't trying to be rude, but if you felt offended by that, I'm Sorry
Its fine. I started out like that because your comment came out as condescending from the others debating back but that was just me so I apologize as wellI wasn't trying to be rude, but if you felt offended by that, I'm Sorry
I was planning on responding in full but I won't push the art subject any further.
I failed miserably to understand this point.
The Jin no Sho used a panel from the manga, thus no one actually created new art for it. One of the few original art ever presented in the Jin no Sho was its cover art by Kishimoto.
The main problem lies on this; Madara is about to explode because he can't handle Kaguya's power and, as Zetsu states, the plan was to restore Kaguya and not make her stronger.
Kaguya is the Juubi in its original form, which is why Naruto states that while absorbing chakra, Madara is becoming way stronger than even Ten Tails; Kaguya's starting to take over at this point. She is much more powerful than all Bijuus combined, while both Naruto and Madara hold incomplete parts [Madara is missing the other half of Kurama and Naruto only has a small piece of each Bijuu's chakra] of that original power. Being within the same realm of power doesn't make them equal.
They are on the same realm of power, they're just not equals.
You should have started with this post.
This is the same argument you made on your first and third posts but worded differently and with fancy real-world logic.
ah, you clearly misunderstood something here, what we skipped is the art error subject, not tomoes if so then there's no point for me to be here since the whole thread was about this particular argument other was just support-like points, cause without it then it will be just equaling 9 tomoes Madara to 6 tomoes Madara which would result in nowhere since I'm already acknowledging that Kaguya >>> 6 Tomoes Madara.
Madara was stated in Jin no Sho to have All Chakra which refers to him being at Kaguya's level.
you clearly didn't read my argument so I will just copy-paste it again right here
already explained that.
never implied that either.
that's just a lie that Hagoromo believed but was exposed in Boruto, Juubi is just a parasite otsutsukis plant onto a planet to sucks its chakra, also Madara already cleaned the gab of half a Ninetails by absorbing the god tree (which already surpass Kurama in power on top of that it already sucked some chakra from BM naruto and others) let alone another Rinnegan and the Rinne Sharingan, even without it Madara's Base is already Kurama+++.
Zetsu never met 9 tomoes Madara either, he needed more chakra cause this Madara didn't have that much which will bring us back to the main point of tomoes, see the whole structure of my argument is around tomoes cause with it I can reply to every single refutation you ever come with, with "this isn't 9 tomoes Madara" since no one ever met him in the first place, it was always 6 tomoes Madara.
6 tomoes in the same realm, 9 tomoes is equal.
Sasuke is right there, never claimed otherwise, it can be both ways, either because speed or because his body itself, either way, Sasuke would have told the same, cause your body can't handle chakra due to short time is the same as your body can't handle chakra, Sasuke didn't give details here of why he can't handle it, so it will just go with assumptions, and while I admit that the default would say it's because his body but I can argue otherwise as I already did.
nope, not even close, it's a brand new argument, it says that the chakra that Kaguya got is the same as chakra that 9 Tomoes Madara originally had before releasing it to the planet.
yeah, also I would like to remind you of the argument you completely ignored.
Do it, People in the past did it so can you
I'm going from the premise that 6 tomoes is an art error. You're going from the premise that Madara only had 6 tomoes due using too much chakra.
Bro... that's cringe.but anyways if you want to dance, I can dance too
And again, Madara alone didn't have enough chakra to restore Kaguya, which is why Zetsu absorbed chakra from everyone inside the IT as well. Madara doesn't have all chakra, nor did Kaguya. The whole point of the final fight revolves around Kaguya trying to reach that goal, eventually deciding on killing Naruto and Sasuke since it wasn't worth the risk absorbing their chakra. I don't really care if it's part of your main argument or not, just that this is a point you've made.
Multiple chapters from Naruto Shippuden were revised and relaunched just to include the same mistakes they had before. Despite making many art errors throughout Naruto, Kishimoto only ever corrected Pain's Rinnegan as far as I'm aware. You can find Kaguya with 6 tomoes as well inside the same Jin no Sho. So in my opinion, irrelevant. Unless the Jin no Sho mentions somewhere that Madara weakened.
And failed to counter it.
I know.
Didn't you use Hagoromo's beliefs as an argument for all of Kaguya's power having come from the fruit? Again, Zetsu restored Kaguya instead of making her stronger, essentially meaning that everything Zetsu and the World Tree absorbed was meant to bring Kaguya back exactly as she was. The Tree absorbing that much chakra and all of that chakra being a requirement to bring Kaguya back only proves her superiority even more.
Ok, do you have anything other than head-canon and a contradicted Jin no Sho scan? Like a direct statement or interview? Even the story implying the narrative going in that direction?
They are on the same realm of power, they're just not equals.
I never said nor implied that you thought Sasuke wasn't there. He would've told the same from your perspective and interpretation of something that hasn't happened. I'll stay with the good old occam's razor. You do you.
Without quantifying how that impacted Madara's power or sourcing something that tells us that, we're just back to square zero and assumptions.yeah, also I would like to remind you of the argument you completely ignored.
Sasuke stated that Madara used an incredibly powerful Genjutsu which implies an incredibly drain in his chakra which alone even without the tomoes argument proves that Madara wasn't at his prime when he transformed to Kaguya.
Lol.
exactly, I'm telling you right now that gives me a hell of an opportunity to the limit I don't think myself that neither you nor anyone can debunk me anymore since this particular point as I mentioned before can counter every and all argument anyone come with heck even if Kishimoto himself won't be able to do anything unless he said its an art error, just to see how ridiculous this point is, I will use it in every point from now on despite the fact that I don't see you going anywhere since we skipped the art error argument which's probably the only potential way you can debunk my argument.
yeah, I realised that too, I meant that you were going around the bush and I was quoting Madara as well and it came like this but I see your point.
so let's start, so first... cough..cough
my god, that's exactly what I told you not to do yet you did it anyway lol
Can I see Kaguya's error in Jin no Sho ?? also I want it from a straight perspective, not like the one you claimed with that Madara got 7 tomoes, cause without it your point is irrelevant and anyways it only affects this particular point.
can I ask why ?? anyways it's down there so I will cover it up again and I doubt you came with a refutation in the first place.
ahh, there's no problem to use Hago's Statment, but we don't just use anything even after it was exposed later, lol.
Yup, the manga itself show that Madara got 6 tomoes which's enough for me. see without the art error there's no hope in this discussion.
how tf does amenominaka make kaguya superior? lol, let alone the fact that Madara probably can use it anyways as he holds the Rinne-Sharingan, the dojutsu responsible for it.
6 tomoes in the same realm, 9 tomoes is at least equal, probably stronger.
then this point is irrelevant as we both agreed that Sasuke would have told the same other-wise.
Nah, we have the tomoes which can quantify how much he lost and how much he regained when he transformed to Kaguya.
tomoes go brrrrrrrrrr.
If you don't think that, it's fine. Although you will need more than head-canon to prove your point.
Quantify and source how that affected Madara's power.
I wasn't actually targeting your point, just that the Jin no Sho mistakenly gives that description to Madara.
Did you acknowledge the fact that multiple chapters from Naruto Shippuden were revised and relaunched just to include the same mistakes they had before?
If you want to counter me using Hagoromo's statements, just acknowledge that you did the same. You used his statements to reinforce your point that Kaguya only gained her power after eating the fruit, but the 4th databook and Boruto contradicts a lot of that. Kaguya had a base power level and chakra before the fruit, making any attempts to compare the source of their power irrelevant.
As well as show Sasuke with 9, with no tomoes, with 3 tomoes, Kaguya with 6 multiple times. There's no hope in this discussion because of how dumb it is.
The description of Amenominaka: "When she activates it, she uses up a large quantity of chakra, so it's a technique that only she, who has an enormous power, can use."
OP, are you stable?Quantify it.
