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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Pokemonfan807 said:
Leveled him up to maximum cause I want a challenge aka his interlude

Plus lehen I found a way to use him

just get Chen gong and scapegoat him every time he uses his np
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I mean, okey, you will be maximizing the damage he does, but the damage is still sooooo bad... And if he dies from the damage it's useless... Just bring spartacus and go Allahu on them.
The only fight I ever see him being useful is in the Adventure Quest that has like 95% damage reduction or something like that. And that is only cause he's the only servant with the pure damage mechanic.

A quick calculation - Angra at Lv. 120 2k Fou'ed has 15,546 HP. NP 5 he has a 3x damage received multiplier. The maximum damage he can do is ~45k before modifiers, which he has none for his NP as his skill buffs Quick...
That is so bad... I mean, it's MEDEA bad almost, as you have to basically sacrified him to do it. And I'm using Lv. 120 2k Fou'ed numbers.
 
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LehenDuo said:
I mean, okey, you will be maximizing the damage he does, but the damage is still sooooo bad... And if he dies from the damage it's useless... Just bring spartacus and go Allahu on them.
The only fight I ever see him being useful is in the Adventure Quest that has like 95% damage reduction or something like that. And that is only cause he's the only servant with the pure damage mechanic.

A quick calculation - Angra at Lv. 120 2k Fou'ed has 15,546 HP. NP 5 he has a 3x damage received multiplier. The maximum damage he can do is ~45k before modifiers, which he has none for his NP as his skill buffs Quick...
That is so bad... I mean, it's MEDEA bad almost, as you have to basically sacrified him to do it. And I'm using Lv. 120 2k Fou'ed numbers.
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okay that’s why I have a guts Essence on him.

and because the interlude is a challenge and I love a good challenge
 
Pokemonfan807 said:
okay that’s why I have a guts Essence on him.

and because the interlude is a challenge and I love a good challenge
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Yeah, it's a nice fight if you aren't cheesing it.
I like to impose some handicaps in my team setup when not farming. But personally, I think there's a difference between, for example, using Three Stars such as Ushi, Hundred Face, Bedivere, etc as a challenge, which are units that have tools for you to use (but clearly not as many or not as good as SR/SSRs) and build strategies, and Servants who were designed in a way that they shouldn't be in the game because of their fundamentally bad design, as they have ONE node that is yet to be released in NA that they are a good choice (Angra) and then they never are even a somewhat-okay option ever, or in the case of Medea for example, NEVER are a better option than their competition. (Man, I feel bad for people who have Medea as a top favorite)

It's like the "buff Cu" thing they do. Cu is already such a ******* good unit, even in neutral he's useful as ****. Then there's Diarmuid & Honzoin, that should in some way also be ST DPSers, right? But they are so below Cu it's never even worth the comparison. And what they do? Buff Cu again...
 
TypeOU said:
Diarmuid aside, Houzouin can't really be compared to Cu, and I don't think he really need a buff
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Both are ST Lancer DPSers. They literally have the same function. Both of them cannot AoE, both of them cannot support, making stars with Lancers is... ????
The fact is they compete for the same niche. They by definition are being compared.
 
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LehenDuo said:
Both are ST Lancer DPSers. They literally have the same function. Both of them cannot AoE, both of them cannot support, making stars with Lancers is... ????
The fact is they compete for the same niche. They by definition are being compared.
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Cu is a survivalist lancer capable of dishing out decent damages with his np, hozoin is a crit lancer meant to dish out insane damages with his crits. Totally different kits
 
SuperKamiNappa said:
True but is he better than Caesar?
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In boss fights and other fights where having a hard survive (Evade/Invul) matters, yeah.
But buffed Caesar can be a bit of a monster
TypeOU said:
Cu is a survivalist lancer capable of dishing out decent damages with his np, hozoin is a crit lancer meant to dish out insane damages with his crits. Totally different kits
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So Single Target damage, but one of them can actually do it reliably and with a peak performance that you will get once in twenty tries only slightly lower?
 
Mageman460 said:
Yeah, in Foxtail they fight. Suzuka got absolutely beaten with 0 to no difficulty. And then Suzuka pulled out the NP that kills herself by using AUthority or something and beats Raikou.
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No. The match was close but she lost then she used her authority, it was absolutely not "one-sided". Hell, Raikou had to finish quickly because Suzuka precog was starting to overwhelm her
 
Mageman460 said:
Yeah, in Foxtail they fight. Suzuka got absolutely beaten with 0 to no difficulty. And then Suzuka pulled out the NP that kills herself by using AUthority or something and beats Raikou.
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TypeOU said:
No. The match was close but she lost then she used her authority, it was absolutely not "one-sided". Hell, Raikou had to finish quickly because Suzuka precog was starting to overwhelm her
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But the fact that Suzuka should use her authority to beat her (even tho she's already lost) prove that Raikou is one of top tier servants
Heck, every Minamoto clans are deserved to be a top tier servants at this point lel
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
But the fact that Suzuka should use her authority to beat her (even tho she's already lost) prove that Raikou is one of top tier servants
Heck, every Minamoto clans are deserved to be a top tier servants at this point lel
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She has mystic slayer, she was at an advantage from the start. Suzuka isn't even a top servant without her authority
 
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Archer (Fate/stay night)

Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka during the Fifth Holy Grail War. He is also one of many Servants able to be summoned by Ritsuka Fujimaru in the Grand Orders of Fate/Grand Order. His real name is EMIYA. Unlike most other Servants, he is not a pure or proper Heroic Spirit; he is...
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Archer is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka during the

Hmm...yes, archer class is really made up of Archers.
 
TypeOU said:
She has mystic slayer, she was at an advantage from the start. Suzuka isn't even a top servant without her authority
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I know but since Suzuka need to use her authority just to beat Raikou and by that point Suzuka was lost, prove that Raikou is such a top tier servant, even she's kinda gimmicky due of her mystery killer
 
SuperKamiNappa said:
I think as long as it’s not nsfw you’ll be fine.
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yeah but if they copy link of image and remove the name of the article so it will only show the website

sure it will take it Danboorus homepage but Danbooru homepage will show both nsfw and sfw stuff if you get what i’m saying.

it’s not like other homepages where the homepage just has a search engine and doesn’t show any images like safebooru for example.

maybe i’m just worrying too much
 
6th Moonsault Grail Front is ?????
What kind of madness is this, the master starts right by 2 units that break the movement rules
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Really? I see her as one of those top tier servants tbh, guess we viewed it differently
Inb4 Expectro going to dunk your a** regarding why Raikou is one of them
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Raikou isn't top tier however Ushi Gozen is, but still even amongst top tier she is on the weaker side. Ushi Gozen's power is equal to a Demon God Pillar, which even Arjuna who is below Karna can one-shot 28 of them.
 
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