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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
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Bastolan27
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Ok first I was a bit skeptical of your takes but now you're just straight up lying
Avalon was fine?
Of course it was , you're confusing intent with weakness , since when did goetia's intent was to destroy the planet. He wanted to reshape the planet but first he needed to incinerate humanity for the fuel why would he destroy Avalon since, Avalons destruction would mean the end of the planet since Avalons is the planet's inner sea
He needed fuel so he only burned the upper layer of the planet
Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't
Goetia even say's this himself that his np would pierce the planet, piercing includes Avalon
Goetia's words:
Grand temple of time(section 12):
"That hellish moment continues. As she(mash) continues to block the heat that would pierce the planet "
Why didn't he destroy Avalon or kill Merlin as you're saying, it's simple, without Solomon goetia had no reason to believe he would lose that's why he didn't stop Chaldea even in the 4th singularity
Also I'm seeing a pattern here your game here is just repeating the same points again and again until you're opponents get tired and then you claim that you've won the debate
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Also I'm seeing a pattern here your game here is just repeating the same points again and again until you're opponents get tired and then you claim that you've won the debate
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Not really. If anything, that statement resembles the tactic y'all are using. I've been observing this thread for a while, and Wankbreaker has been providing evidence to support their claims, with each piece of evidence logically following up with the claim and because of that making the argument valid and sound which ultimately leads to the truth.Also I'm seeing a pattern here your game here is just repeating the same points again and again until you're opponents get tired and then you claim that you've won the debate
I've noticed how the Nasu supporters are attempting to shut down the discussion and quickly end any downgrade thread, for obvious reasons. You seem more interested in lying and being disingenuous, viewing this as a matter of winning or losing rather than treating it as a meaningful discussion. Both parties should ideally view the discussion as an opportunity to challenge what's false and work together to reach a conclusion that makes both sides feel they've contributed to the argument and thus prune out anything that might be false.
Since many supporters here fit the former description, it’s clear why they would want to immediately kill any thread that might challenge their perspective.
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I joined VS Battles ~4 years ago, and basically Nasuverse/Typemoon are the only topics I actually am active in.
While I can't compare with other verses in here, the wanking has been slowly, but surely, creeping in.
For example: You have literal pages talking about how the Quantum Time-Locks operate and why they are like that. Because of space / capacity.
In the original novel, Sakura / Rin says "infinite timeliens" (which isn't incorrect as a translation, but considering it could also mean "many"/big number) - infinite timelines confirmed.
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Alright buddy calm down sure he's not lying and being unfair by nitpicking
In the current thread he uses bbs lines to make it seem like kiara sessyoin is solar system level
But koyanskaya of darkness says this about Kiara:
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Many humans may have reached godhood, but I never imagined I would ever meet a human who surpassed gods.
Actually, hold on a minute...
Her mental structure can't even be expressed in hyper dimensions! What the heck...she's making an entire universe in her stomach!?
Many humans reached godhood, but I didn't think I'd see the day I'd meet a human who surpassed godhood. Wait, I have a bigger question. What the HELL is wrong with mental composition? Not even a 4D cube'd be enough to give us a good visual representation of that. Who had the big idea of letting her build a universe inside her belly?"
Koyanskaya of Darkness/Dialogue
The following Servants have related dialogues to this Servant (sorted alphabetically): This translation was taken from a Reddit user ComunCoutinho. Thanks for all the hard work.
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Why don't point out where I'm wrong if according to wankbreaker providing correct evidence and not lying about both kiara and Goetia
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Yes, it essentially comes down to people running home with the highest possible interpretation, even though, as you said, those statements are and could be fundamentally wrong from a narrative standpoint. They either know this and choose to lie about it, or they genuinely have no idea, most likely because they've never read the series and don't understand the context behind those statements, which could result in some people instead trying to spread secondhand knowledge, if not something even worse.
Why can't people just be honest with themselves and aim to make their arguments as flawless as possible with logical reasoning, without the need for exaggeration?
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You do realize you're free to challenge and ask questions regarding these things with Wankbreaker instead of accusing them of nonsense?
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There's one detail I think you are forgetting - even a being surpassing a god would be between God-level and Planet-level.
In one of the games of Fate a version of "Arcueid" (as a Servant) has her powers "sealed"/weakened because her Masters though she was a God.
Also, what Kiara does is a "subversion" of the Third Magic + her transformation into a Demon/Beast. It's nothing new or "unique", even if it has never been properly explained.
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LamentSatanael
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It's funny when I see a guy trying to lecture other people when he fundamentally does not know what textures are.
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imagine thinking Ea scales to Avalon in big 2024
LamentSatanael
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So-called "omnipotent-universe-shatting-would-totally-destroy Avalon frfr" NPs when they consistently job to Avalon be like
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Pierce what? The texture?Ok first I was a bit skeptical of your takes but now you're just straight up lying
Avalon was fine?
Of course it was , you're confusing intent with weakness , since when did goetia's intent was to destroy the planet. He wanted to reshape the planet but first he needed to incinerate humanity for the fuel why would he destroy Avalon since, Avalons destruction would mean the end of the planet since Avalons is the planet's inner sea
He needed fuel so he only burned the upper layer of the planet
Just because he didn't doesn't mean he couldn't
Goetia even say's this himself that his np would pierce the planet, piercing includes Avalon
Goetia's words:
Grand temple of time(section 12):
"That hellish moment continues. As she(mash) continues to block the heat that would pierce the planet "
Why didn't he destroy Avalon or kill Merlin as you're saying, it's simple, without Solomon goetia had no reason to believe he would lose that's why he didn't stop Chaldea even in the 4th singularity
Also I'm seeing a pattern here your game here is just repeating the same points again and again until you're opponents get tired and then you claim that you've won the debate
Mash blocked it with Lord Camelot,meaning that it is weaker than Avalon
Unleashing the true name of Avalon will deploy a Bound Field that provides the greatest defence. A Noble Phantasm that annuls the interference of True Magic; its existence is equivalent to True Magic.
If you’re arguing that AAS could affect the planet anyway, you just indirectly admitted the planet not scaling to Avalon.
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"There are many who have reached the status of a god as a human... but to think there could be one who surpasses a god while still human. No, seriously... what is that?! Her mental structure can't even be represented by a hyperdimensional cube!! It's like she’s got a universe inside her belly!"Alright buddy calm down sure he's not lying and being unfair by nitpicking
In the current thread he uses bbs lines to make it seem like kiara sessyoin is solar system level
But koyanskaya of darkness says this about Kiara:
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Many humans may have reached godhood, but I never imagined I would ever meet a human who surpassed gods.
Actually, hold on a minute...
Her mental structure can't even be expressed in hyper dimensions! What the heck...she's making an entire universe in her stomach!?
Many humans reached godhood, but I didn't think I'd see the day I'd meet a human who surpassed godhood. Wait, I have a bigger question. What the HELL is wrong with mental composition? Not even a 4D cube'd be enough to give us a good visual representation of that. Who had the big idea of letting her build a universe inside her belly?"
Koyanskaya of Darkness/Dialogue
The following Servants have related dialogues to this Servant (sorted alphabetically): This translation was taken from a Reddit user ComunCoutinho. Thanks for all the hard work.
Why don't point out where I'm wrong if according to wankbreaker providing correct evidence and not lying about both kiara and Goetia
「人の身で神に至ったものは数あれど……人の身のまま神を凌駕するものがいようとは。いや、そもそも……何ですかアレ！ 精神構造が超次元立方体でも表せねー！！ 腹ん中に宇宙作ってんじゃねーですよ！」
Ah yes, mental structure. Aka flowery language.
MFW higher-D demon pillars get beat by normal servants
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Never said that, my statement was that she couldn't get close to fujino at the time cause she couldn't see the distortions. Which is not a problem anymore given that she can now.
At the beginning of the fight she hid behind the buildings because she couldn't see her attack, I'm sure you read when shiki fought her head on when she could see her attack lol.
She's blind meaning her spell is dead, like I said scans of fujino being said to be able to use her attack without sight.
What slower distortions? Lol you keep reiterating this without proof of her distortions being slower or faster. Also she didn't sustain any further damage when she could see the attack.
This literally substantiate on my point in a more direct way, fujino dodging the attack was called an "accident".
I'm sure you read this part.
"The speed of sight" is completely disparate from the speed is dependent on sight, to elucidate on this, the distance between the two was to fujino's advantage as she only needs to look at her target while shiki has to cover a distance. Refer to my earlier point of fujino's ability being said to be higher than shiki's due to the way it works, shiki needs to be close while fujino just has to look at her target. And what you just sent solidifies that, the "speed" in context means she can kill things easily without taking into acount the distance between them as she just has to see her target. So you would need to prove that the distortions are faster without sight once again like I've asked.
Because at that point she couldn't see her attack, and fighting head on without being able to see her attack would be detrimental.
Nope there isn't, you just sent the scan yourself "fujino's ability actiavtes once you're in her line of sight.
Show scans of "faster" ones lol. Like I've asked for this numerous times already
Nope, I'm saying shiki would cut the spell before it does anything
I've explained why the ability of fujino would be rated higher than shiki's. The novel never stated she was stronger than shiki explicitly lol, send the side material scan. I can't trust something you say without looking at the context of what was written
What tha hell dawg. Do you thrive off head canon scenarios just to make it look like you're right?
Just saw
Not my problem.
Its existence is something that only a hater would use as a point on why shiki isn't top tier
Yes we all know the scene, and she did not want to give up the knife because it was the only weapon she could use to fight the faeries as stated here. And azaka only took the knife was because she was ontop of her bed and she climbed ontop of her. Let's not forget and derail from the premise which is "shiki never lets go of her own knife" amd she claimed the knife wasn't hers and only needed it to fight.
She was laying down and she could not react, she didn't even know azaka was coming to meet her until she actually did it. How would she jump from the bed when she was pinned down?
?? "STUCK ON THE BED" Are you reading things well or you just don't understand them.
She never said "attempt", she said "You're simply here to kill that which cannot die". Which shiki then proceeds to say "as long as it is even alive even gods fall under my knife"
So you see the difference "he was explicitly killed" whereas that isn't the case for shiki
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Sorry for replying late, was way too busy
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Nope — it had him surviving and trying to fight her until the screen faded to black.
He wasn't ever shown to be killed, nay. Another fadeout much like Shiki's MBAA arcade.
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Okay, cool, character hyping herself up.
We know from ORT’s material profile that MEODP is useless….and know from KnK she gets injured by tree felling and concrete crushing attacks.
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Will need to play roa's part to see the difference myself
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Can King Hassan defeat all the Lostbelt kings?
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Pretty sure he loses to all of them except for the Lb 1 kings
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That statement was made from AE referring to shiki, so how is shiki hyping herself up?
Doesn't defeat the fact that she indeed kill AE, and her meodp is several levels higher than normal meodp, so she's capable of doing such.
Also according to your logic every character should get downgraded if they're injured with a kitchen knife or rocks. Heck no character surpasses tier 8 with your logic.
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“The Mystic Eyes of death perception are useless on it”
isnt
“Um these MEODP work on it and this one doesn’t”
Not the same thing at all, but alright, lmao.
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Even the joke isn't funny
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Tier 11 nasu let’s go!!!!
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So... I know Touko and Aoko have their own pages, but when is Mahoutsukai no Yoru and the rest of its characters getting their own pages...?
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Now this is just me admittedly, but if someone named "Wankbreaker" came in randomly trying to overhaul the verse I've been working on, my first gut instinct would probably be to think they're not interested in a meaningful discussion. I mean, it sounds like they've already decided that the supporters are just wankers and that they're the only one that's actually correct, so I wouldn't really entertain that kind of thing to begin with
It's not as if I don't get where you're coming from, but my issue is that it's not just one side or another. It feels like neither side is acting in good faith here
This is just what happens when scaling turns into a contest and people are more interested in trying to be right than actually having a meaningful discussion
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bro tried upgrading anti spiral to High 1-A and calls himself wankbreaker
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Breaker is just a reference to TTGL
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I feel like im very open to discussion, actually
"How dare you not think the nasuverse is outer-mega-hyperversal boundless, you downplayer!!!" doesnt seem like anything in good faith either.
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the drill that breaks the heavens!!!!
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i thought you had tons of nasu fans jumping on u because of the downgrades
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Giga Wank Breaker!!!!
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a lot of them actually saw my point for the void shiki one (there were a myriad of things I never put in the CRT, as I wanted the staff to actually read the thing.)
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I'm trying to understand things from both perspectives. It's true you haven't tried to silence anyone, I just don't think anyone's gonna take too kindly to having their verse's ratings contested by someone whose whole profile is "I'm here to fix your wank." But hey, that could just be me since I've admittedly made no secret of the fact that I'm not a fan of that myself. I got zero issues with you yourself, I just tend to hyperfixate on stuff like that
Brother I wasn't saying they were acting in good faith either, I thought I made that clear. I said "neither side" for a reason
I just don't think "you're a wanker if you think Nasuverse is Tier 1 and that's the end of it" is the best mentality either. Personally, I think the verse (with my limited knowledge on it) is super up to interpretation in terms of scaling, more than most verses, because of just how much stuff there is saying so many things all at once
Karabach-barabach
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We should just nuke powerscaling in general. That way, everyone would be happy
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Clover FRA
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agree fra
