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[Karabach-barabach]

I don't see any taunt tho...

 

[SweetDao]

I don't see any taunt tho...

Open your third eye, you'll see it, perhaps...

 

[Wankbreaker]

I swear, why the meaningless taunt? The guy was civil all the way.

the guy apparently was shittalking me off-site, at least what i heard from another user
it wasnt really a taunt though, just that anyone who says (this debunk is so bad!!! and later tries to challenge me on it off site either ends up losing, straight up conceding, or refusing to debate any further after a certain point.)

its all the same 5 arguments anyway.

 

[SweetDao]

the guy apparently was shittalking me off-site, at least what i heard from another user
it wasnt really a taunt though, just that anyone who says (this debunk is so bad!!! and later tries to challenge me on it off site either ends up losing, straight up conceding, or refusing to debate any further after a certain point.)

I think everyone shit-talk others, it's human to do so, don't take it too personally.
I mean, I wouldn't see it as conceding, personally, just that it's tiresome to do back and forth. Both of you have very specific ways of seeing things and none would budge, backing away isn't conceding in this case, it's just not wanting to lose more time.

Ultimately, everyone is free to have any opinions they want, no one has the absolute truth on the work they are scaling.

 

[Wankbreaker]

I think everyone shit-talk others, it's human to do so, don't take it too personally.
I mean, I wouldn't see it as conceding, personally, just that it's tiresome to do back and forth. Both of you have very specific ways of seeing things and none would budge, backing away isn't conceding in this case, it's just not wanting to lose more time.

Ultimately, everyone is free to have any opinions they want, no one has the absolute truth on the work they are scaling.

Sure, thats understandable. It's just that you have no right to call someone else's scaling "bad", if you cant argue as to why.

 

[Cautiousexedius]

the guy apparently was shittalking me off-site, at least what i heard from another user
it wasnt really a taunt though, just that anyone who says (this debunk is so bad!!! and later tries to challenge me on it off site either ends up losing, straight up conceding, or refusing to debate any further after a certain point.)

its all the same 5 arguments anyway.

Making fun of you? What makes you think that? I could refute every argument you mentioned until dawn, but I guess I don't have as much free time as you do. You have never been able to refute me in front of me, don't get such a perception

 

[Cautiousexedius]

I think everyone shit-talk others, it's human to do so, don't take it too personally.
I mean, I wouldn't see it as conceding, personally, just that it's tiresome to do back and forth. Both of you have very specific ways of seeing things and none would budge, backing away isn't conceding in this case, it's just not wanting to lose more time.

Ultimately, everyone is free to have any opinions they want, no one has the absolute truth on the work they are scaling.

I don't think he's smart enough to understand that after what he just said

 

[SweetDao]

I don't think he's smart enough to understand that after what he just said

You know... attacking his "intelligence" isn't what I would call "civil".

Just go on with whatever you wish to do, you have no obligation to think about him or interact with him, you're making yourself look bad with nothing to gain.

 

[Cautiousexedius]

this debunk is so bad!!! and later tries to challenge me on it off site either ends up losing, straight up conceding, or refusing to debate any further after a certain point.)

I am not any of those three things you mentioned. People think that just by looking at this wiki, the character has been completely debunked. It is necessary to disagree about this because you have never been able to refute anything in my eyes. Try again with someone who knows less about it

 

[Karabach-barabach]

I'm not gonna lie, even when I was yapping against YouTube shorts powerscalers, I didn't had enough high esteem in my capabilities compared to you

 

[Cautiousexedius]

You know... attacking his "intelligence" isn't what I would call "civil".

Just go on with whatever you wish to do, you have no obligation to think about him or interact with him, you're making yourself look bad with nothing to gain.

I am aware of this, but I can't say that I care too much, at least I can continue to keep a civilized attitude, as you call it

 

[LamentSatanael]

You know... attacking his "intelligence" isn't what I would call "civil".

Just go on with whatever you wish to do, you have no obligation to think about him or interact with him, you're making yourself look bad with nothing to gain.

I came to know in the server FATE was her btw
also, hello there Sweet Dao fancy seeing you in this thread (tis me, Archetype: Altrouge)

 

[Wankbreaker]

It is necessary to disagree about this because you have never been able to refute anything in my eyes. Try again with someone who knows less about it

because you're like a brick wall.

ill repeat your own words:

Try again with someone who knows less about it

 

[Cautiousexedius]

because you're like a brick wall.

I must say the same for you, just trying to refute for the sake of refuting and using false arguments and making false claims and misinterpreting...

 

[IlekVad14]

I must say the same for you, just trying to refute for the sake of refuting and using false arguments and making false claims and misinterpreting...

 

[Huesito88]

So it's here.... You should probably ping Deagonx as he was the one to previously touch on the subject, before that thread died due to circumstances

(Nasuverse) 1/Removal of Tier 1 for Fate/Extra..

(Nasuverse) 1/Removal of Tier 1 for Fate/Extra.. To start with, the Moon-Cell is considered 8D, and therefore the MMC servants and BB and such. Which seems fine…… until you investigate further. Tamamo’s kick that hit and made the mooncell go haywire had the power of a solar flare….so...

vsbattles.com

 

[Karabach-barabach]

For a second I thought the thread touches all Nasuverse' tier 1's

 

[Wankbreaker]

For a second I thought the thread touches all Nasuverse' tier 1's

it touches like 95% of them.

ill come back to collect the rest later.

 

[Karabach-barabach]

it touches like 95% of them.

ill come back to collect the rest later.

Wonder will there be people that'll try to defend that, since without opposition there's no fun

 

[Wankbreaker]

Wonder will there be people that'll try to defend that, since without opposition there's no fun

the higher-D scaling leads to some mega-****** scaling chains, as i pointed out.

8-D earthquakes bro!!!! 8-D solar flares!!!!
4 dimensions are actually 8!

 

[Wankbreaker]

before someone brings up the discussion rule, lol

Discussion rules can change! You are in fact allowed to say "That rule is unfounded, and this reason for downgrading and changing that rule makes sense." or "The reasons for the speed rating make sense, so it, and the rule, should stay." or even "I'm not sure what should be done."

I think your view in particular is pretty relevant, since you were one of the two staff members that commented on the upgrade immediately before the discussion rule got put into place.

Discussion rules can be struck down if it is decided by a later group that the rule is illegitimate. For now, discussion ought to continue as if the rule were not made, until those staff pinged on the subject speak their minds: reckon their opinions are among the most relevant.

 

[LehenDuo]

the higher-D scaling leads to some mega-****** scaling chains, as i pointed out.

8-D earthquakes bro!!!! 8-D solar flares!!!!
4 dimensions are actually 8!

Are we finally acknowledging this?

 

[Wankbreaker]

Are we finally acknowledging this?

Hopefully (send me scans if you have any)

 

[LehenDuo]

The claim about aspects being "inseparable" and "identical" is directly contradicted by Void Shiki's own words. She explicitly states that:
She is specifically "the personality of the flesh as such"

This is one of the most "up in the air" points of Typemoon in my opinion. See:

—The flesh, we may say, becomes the basis of the intellect. It does not itself "have" an intellect. The flesh simply "is." But the flesh does have a personality, a will, of a kind. It grows up as one with, and gives birth to, the intellect. That - is what I am.

—"I" am not a personality borne of the intellect. I am the personality of the flesh as such.

—Ultimately, Shiki - he and she could exchange with one another because they held my currency in common. A single foundation governed them both. That is "Ryougi Shiki." You know Ryougi is liangyi, so it stands to reason that two liangyi together make a taiji, doesn't it? That is me. I am that which takes the shape of the taiji, its circular outline.

So, Void is the "personality" of the Body = but not a personality in the same way others have. It's not something born from Intellect. It's not "self-reflected"

—I do, after a fashion. A personality of the flesh as such arises in every human, but ordinarily it does not come to any kind of self-awareness. Usually, before that can happen, the intellect stirs to life. From out of the body, more precisely the brain, the intellect is produced.

—The intellect borne out of the brain's activity becomes a personality and gains executive function over the fleshly body. At that point any personality which dwelt in the flesh becomes meaningless.

—It's because of this that the intellect tends to treat the brain which gave birth to it as if it were something specially set apart from the rest of the fleshly body, even though it is just one part of the whole.

Personality of BODY = an intrinsic thing that is "passive". Intellect personalities are born from activity and "movement", "Mind" - and exists only as such. Body's cannot "perceive" or "know" because that function is of the Brain, aand Brain being Active = Intellect Personality.

—I think I get it, he said. Your ability to "know" or "perceive" the outside world is dependent on Shiki's personality.

—Correct. I am simply an unpowered piece of hardware. Without the requisite software I am just an inert box.

—My origin is nihil. From nihil I originated, the flesh that I am, the corpse in the womb to which life was somehow given. That is why Shiki can perceive death. For two years, in her comatose state, she was unable to view the outside world, and could do nothing but gaze into the nihil that Ryougi Shiki "is." More than simply seeing, she felt death.

What I think people often either ignore or don't realize is that Ryougi Shiki has been defined some lines above:

—Ultimately, Shiki - he and she could exchange with one another because they held my currency in common. A single foundation governed them both. That is "Ryougi Shiki." You know Ryougi is liangyi, so it stands to reason that two liangyi together make a taiji, doesn't it? That is me. I am that which takes the shape of the taiji, its circular outline.

The claim about "indivisible whole" is contradicted by how the personalities are explicitly described as separate and hierarchical:

Could you explain what you mean? Because they are not "separate" if they are a Ryougi. It just wouldn't be a Ryougi.

 

[ShinyMagicalGirl]

So if 8D is being Thanos’d cuz sun quakes and all the other nerfs Wankbreaker is giving, does this mean the peak of all TYPE-MOON is just Star level? Probably Planet level if we’re gonna take ORT planet busting as impressive since it’s a high tier character.

This would be an even larger nerf than even Mario lmao. RIP OP Nasuverse in VSBW. Guess you’ll have to say goodbye to your OP status here. You’ll have to make do with other websites and communities. I think the G1 Death Battle guys still have you as OP so you’ll be fine Nasuverse, just not here if this keeps up xD

8D to Planet/Star is nuts. I assume Root also will have its 1-A rating gone if Wankbreaker makes more threads and stuff.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Yall are so grumpy, eat a snickers or sum

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

So if 8D is being Thanos’d cuz sun quakes and all the other nerfs Wankbreaker is giving, does this mean the peak of all TYPE-MOON is just Star level? Probably Planet level if we’re gonna take ORT planet busting as impressive since it’s a high tier character.

This would be an even larger nerf than even Mario lmao. RIP OP Nasuverse in VSBW. Guess you’ll have to say goodbye to your OP status here. You’ll have to make do with other websites and communities. I think the G1 Death Battle guys still have you as OP so you’ll be fine Nasuverse, just not here if this keeps up xD

8D to Planet/Star is nuts. I assume Root also will have its 1-A rating gone if Wankbreaker makes more threads and stuff.

So far, the majority of users and staff members disagree with the thread. We'll have to see if it goes through or not. (Plus, it seems like Wankbreaker's intention was to go to Low 2-C, or something like that).

 

[Wankbreaker]

So far, the majority of users and staff members disagree with the thread. We'll have to see if it goes through or not. (Plus, it seems like Wankbreaker's intention was to go to Low 2-C, or something like that).

It’s either 4-B, 3-A, or low 2-c, yea.

The people who disagree seem to be neglecting that Avalon was completely fine from Goetia’s attack that scales above all of extra.

That alone is a huge issue.

 

[Hypercyber37]

So… after the Shiki nerf, is Arcueid the strongest woman in the Nasuverse?

Void Shiki isn't woman

 

[LehenDuo]

It’s either 4-B, 3-A, or low 2-c, yea.

The people who disagree seem to be neglecting that Avalon was completely fine from Goetia’s attack that scales above all of extra.

That alone is a huge issue.

Avalon's "Defense" follows a concept isntead of a scale/hierarchy. (Such as Fafnir's Armor or God Hand)
As far as we only the World or something akin to it could affect it.
I think Merlin describes it in GoA first chapter.

——————“No....that’s not the most correct expression to
describe such a thing either. For this realm is after all set upon both a
higher and a lower plane of our world.
I would say that it exists in the exact same point and location but
off-set by several phases.”

Merlin had an eternity to escape and couldn't. A simple attack using brute force would do the same as punching air.

Void Shiki isn't woman

????

 

[Hypercyber37]

Avalon's "Defense" follows a concept isntead of a scale/hierarchy. (Such as Fafnir's Armor or God Hand)
As far as we only the World or something akin to it could affect it.
I think Merlin describes it in GoA first chapter.

Merlin had an eternity to escape and couldn't. A simple attack using brute force would do the same as punching air.


????

Ryougi is Female Void is genderless

Avalon'un "Savunma"sı bir ölçek/hiyerarşi yerine bir kavramı takip eder. (Fafnir'in Zırhı veya Tanrı Eli gibi)
Bizim bildiğimiz kadarıyla onu sadece Dünya veya ona benzer bir şey etkileyebilir.
Sanırım Merlin bunu GoA'nın ilk bölümünde anlatıyor.

Merlin'in kaçmak için bir sonsuzluğu vardı ve başaramadı. Kaba kuvvet kullanarak basit bir saldırı, havaya yumruk atmakla aynı etkiyi yapardı.


????

 

[Wankbreaker]

Ryougi is Female Void is genderless

They are….the same existence.

 

[Hypercyber37]

They are….the same existence.

Nope

 

[Wankbreaker]

Nope

My guy read boundary of fullness: garden of saints

A deeper level of consciousness, created from Shiki Ryougi’s dual personality.

A female personality, in her late twenties. A calm and understanding older sister.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Avalon's "Defense" follows a concept isntead of a scale/hierarchy. (Such as Fafnir's Armor or God Hand)
As far as we only the World or something akin to it could affect it.
I think Merlin describes it in GoA first chapter.

Merlin had an eternity to escape and couldn't. A simple attack using brute force would do the same as punching air

I’m aware,but not sure what you’re getting at.

Do you think Tier 1 is not affected by this? Because every tier 1 scales to the destruction of Avalon, for some reason.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Void Shiki isn't woman

super woman

 

[Hypercyber37]

My guy read boundary of fullness: garden of saints

Do not engage in dialogue with me. bark in the corner please

 

[Wankbreaker]

Do not engage in dialogue with me. bark in the corner please

My aura is too strong

 

[LehenDuo]

Ryougi is Female Void is genderless

Void is the body - a FEMALE human body... It may be genderless if you want to separate sex and gender, but it is a body of the female sex.

 

[LehenDuo]

I’m aware,but not sure what you’re getting at.

You seemed to be affirming that Goetia not damaging Avalon is a big deal.

Do you think Tier 1 is not affected by this? Because every tier 1 scales to the destruction of Avalon, for some reason.

I think I would hard disagree on most of the scalings that are in the wikipage of VS Battles as far as Fate is concerned.
People are too concerned about Quantity and forget Quality.
And Fate (and other novels) care a lot more about Quality than Quantity.