Bastolan27
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So… after the Shiki nerf, is Arcueid the strongest woman in the Nasuverse?
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LamentSatanael
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Nah
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Then whom is the strongest woman?
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has anyone watched fate/zero??
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Fate Zero doesn't exist.
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fate zero is not cannon??
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All Around Type Moon and Carnival Phantasm > Fate Zero in terms of canonicity and writing
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Fate Zero has better writing than any fate
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Neco Arc clears
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are fate games cannon?
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erm
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LamentSatanael
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LamentSatanael
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Olga likely
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Sakura>olga
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I agree, and ryuunosuke and caster is the best characters frfr
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i dont really think so, remember; Olga is just a pawn/servant of the actual Alien God
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bro who is the girl in this scan
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Sakura
bro who is the girl in this scan
LamentSatanael
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We don't even know if the actual Alien God is female
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still, that alone puts into the question of if she's ultimate one tier or no
she's also level "1000" to LB ORT's level "10000"
LamentSatanael
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Nasu still confirms this.
Doubt it's the comatose ORT since the 1-v-1 situation wouldn't make sense otherwise. "Outside interference" just so happens to be the keyword.
She was waiting for a good while in LB7 prior and she didn't go attack and absorb the comatose ORT otherwise; she was probably waiting for the sun of Mictlan to be extinguished so that ORT would get its core back which would've happened in about a week; from there the 1v1 situation occurs on.
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Void is not female
Karabach-barabach
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These are but small details, I don't think we need to concentrate on that
LamentSatanael
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Well...
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They are the same existence(I say Void, not Saber)
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much knowledge never hurts
LamentSatanael
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Do I take it as you accepting Olga > Archetype: Earth?
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If you are not playing word games with existence, I can confirm this
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The way nasu says “because she’s our Earth Silhouette” leads me to believe it’s a compatibility thing
OC3 also has me skeptical, because Hakuno pretty much called the battle unwinnable with her, and that everyone on the moon currently would be doomed,basically.
Meanwhile Fujimaru and co had no problem fighting flare Marie on their own, who is stronger than Olga in LB7
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We know Shiki’s soul went to the singularity. The soul can perfectly replicate everything about an existence (and is also where someone’s Origin lies). Void Shiki is Ryougi’s body.
“The soul.It is not the law of the physical world, but something of the higher order, the record of all the bodies within the concept of the astral world....Yes, if one has the soul, one should be able to reconstruct their body even if the original body and genes have been lost.So in other words, this old magus is...”
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Yeah, we can say that they inherited the same body, but it is important to remember that they are different personalities
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They are all 1 existence, as explained.
That means the soul would replicate everything about that existence.
It’s even said in materials that changes to the soul are pretty much causing the person’s information in the Akashic Records to change.
LamentSatanael
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"The Brain and Soul of the Planet" so far as we know —Archetype: Earth: cannot absorb anything let alone ORT. Compatibility thing alone, there's no doubt that LB ORT alone can beat Archetype: Earth due to these same "compatibility" reasons I believe. An alien order that cuts off Arcueid's connection to the world; Olga meanwhile can manage and her Tachiyon Jail works on a Stellar class ORT vs compared to her when she was nerfed heavily.
Keyword: Hakuno
He's faced many things sure; but something on the level of Olga - ORT? Nah.
Keyword: Everyone on the moon
None of the people there present compares to ORT/Olga in any form; also the battle being unwinnable was a reference to the number of fighters they had with them which was Ciel, a heavily exhausted Hakuno who was tired after having completed most of the trials by himself and shadow servants iirc.
Going back to your statement—
The full capabilities of Chaldea's were dubbed level 50 by Sion comparing Olga to "1000" and LB ORT to "10000"; so pretty much the same thing — unwinnable.
Yes, as stated — Hakuno was referencing only them and them alone; the communications with Chaldea were also cut in Moon Dubai. Olga is weak in LB7 but this wasn't her stellar class variant referring to.
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Well, I don't intend to get into a long discussion again as we have not been able to clarify this issue, but you are unlikely to convince me on this issue because no argument proves it, it causes contradiction and inconsistency within the overall verse
LamentSatanael
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Do tell how exactly do you think it causes contradictions and inconsistencies within the overall verse? I'm curious.
Oh and by the way, I am simply a neutral entity. I seek no debates but rather knowledge.
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For example, treating the Void Shiki in the same existence as Saber and saving it on the ToH, which is a complete logical mistake because the Throne should collapse in itself. Or Nasu's interview about it, the explanations about Shiki and the Root in Kara no Kyoukai, and claiming that the Saber Shiki seen in FGO is Void... They are all inconsistencies. And first of all, in the Saber profile on this wiki, Saber is treated as the "Avatar" of the Void. I hope you understand what I mean
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—The flesh, we may say, becomes the basis of the intellect. It does not itself "have" an intellect. The flesh simply "is." But the flesh does have a personality, a will, of a kind. It grows up as one with, and gives birth to, the intellect. That - is what I am.
Ah, he said. He'd heard it somewhere before, hadn't he. That the human being is composed of three different things. Mind and soul, to which is added the fleshly body. Supposing, then, that the mind resides in the brain, and the soul in the body. That makes her - what? Shiki's essence. Her true character. A personality, "the body", with nothing of Shiki's heart.
Gently, she nodded her head. Ryougi Shiki did.
—Basically, that's how it is.
—"I" am not a personality borne of the intellect. I am the personality of the flesh as such.
—Ultimately, Shiki - he and she could exchange with one another because they held my currency in common. A single foundation governed them both. That is "Ryougi Shiki." You know Ryougi is liangyi, so it stands to reason that two liangyi together make a taiji, doesn't it? That is me. I am that which takes the shape of the taiji, its circular outline.
—They were my creations. Each of them an "I" of the same order as myself. Or, no; since they each possessed a will, an inclination of their own, you could say they were of a higher order than myself. Even if they were different personalities, their lines of thought were one in that they were both essentially the good and evil within "Ryougi Shiki." They originated from me, and concluded with me. Had they not, their differing inclinations should never have been able to coexist.
—I think I get it, he said. Your ability to "know" or "perceive" the outside world is dependent on Shiki's personality.
—Correct. I am simply an unpowered piece of hardware. Without the requisite software I am just an inert box.
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This is your assumption, and not proven by anything. Plus, its explained how ryougi came to the event (hint, she wasnt summoned from the throne), but her soul came.
The soul is the record of the existence itself.
Again, based on your assumption, and not fact.
