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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)
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saint seiya doesn’t have the same issues nasu does, to my knowledge
either way, me when the highest thing in the verse is still said to be at the pinnacle of dimensional theory. not above it, but at the pinnacle of it
and I’m supposed to believe that nasu is above shinza
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When we talk about the "pinnacle" in a theory, it doesn’t have to mean the root is at the top of the dimensional theory like we usually think. The root doesn’t need to exist "outside" or "above" the universe. But rather could be seen as the fundamental basis of all possible universes. So, it would still be the "highest point" in dimensional theory, but not in the sense of transcending material existence like traditional Hermetic thinking. It's the pinnacle in the sense that it’s the most fundamental aspect of reality, containing everything else within it.
By that, it doesn't necessarily mean the Root functions the same way as in Hermeticism. Rin and the others were probably just using it as an analogy or metaphor to explain themselves. Given the structure of the Type-Moon in general, I don't see how the Root or any being could be higher dimensional in a literal, geometric sense without those statements being metaphorical or symbolic. And even if the Root was higher Dimensional then goodbye 1A rating.
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Aoko states you have to overcome some “dimensional wall” in order to reach the root
the 3rd magic is able to reach the root (that’s how it became one in the first place) by using the higher dimensional soul
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Yea, it can refer to another reality or realm that happen to contain large amounts of True Ether and is what gives the world its structure without necessarily being superior to the mainstream universe. Even if it was superior, it would have to be within a scope of reference that isn't enough to warrant a 1A jump or anything like that, without any further context. And when they talk about "higher dimensional souls" it simply could mean that these souls are Higher Dimensional because they are non-physical and don't occupy physical space metaphorically speaking, hence they'd be viewed as something transcendental. They're just spirits that exist on Earth, just outside its temporal axis.
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She's using metaphors to try and get Soujyuro to understand the idea of the Root.
The Third Magic is one the three that was developed in the process of trying to reach the Root. Only the First and Fifth were gained by "reaching" the Root and turning back.
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The only metaphor Aoko was using was the sun metaphor, and being the “richest in the world”.
magics are ordered by “cause” and “effect, basically, if the magic is the result of reaching the root, or if reaching the root is a result of the magic. either way it all involves reaching the root
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The whole speech was using metaphor (granted, you kind of have to use metaphors to describe the Root anyway).
The Third Magic was created as a "cause." It was created to reach the Root, but of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that it has. Not even the First or the Fifth (the "effects") were obtained by reaching the Root since they turned back before they actually could (which is a good thing since they would've been erased from existence).
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we see from angra mainyu at the end of hollow, this portion is definitely not a metaphor, as he walks to the opposite direction as bazett, and eventually reaches it. very similar to aoko’s explanation.
as we see from angra and even kiara, the third magic is more than capable. notwithstanding the fact that Aoko says that reaching it is the only way to acquire it. she just hasn’t touched it. think about it like entering a throne room. you can still enter the same plane/location the throne exists at, you just probably can’t handle sitting on that if you have a soul at the rank of a humans. Aoko can come back at anytime and touch the root, she just has 0 reason to.
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Grand Summoners crossover in 6 days
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Delete all profiles except for BB. (BB is too powerful to be deleted.)
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BB (Deagonx Canon)
BB from DeagonX's magnum opus Fate Extra CCC that was so magnificent it destroyed the "At the boundary of Tier 0" Nasuverse proposal on Vsbattles.com and made everyone drop the discussion, in which she digitized the Ultimate Reality of the verse despite there being hundreds of characters above...
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If the verse does get deleted then whom will rework it Wankbreaker or "Tdjwo'crew"?If I had the power I'd really just delete this verse until other stuff gets ironed out this is insane
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and keep the root and void shiki profiles gone fr frIf I had the power I'd really just delete this verse until other stuff gets ironed out this is insane
i fear what happens if we let tdjwo touch the nasuverse, overwanked profiles
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Is the "Deagonx" referring to the admin from here?BB (Deagonx Canon)
BB from DeagonX's magnum opus Fate Extra CCC that was so magnificent it destroyed the "At the boundary of Tier 0" Nasuverse proposal on Vsbattles.com and made everyone drop the discussion, in which she digitized the Ultimate Reality of the verse despite there being hundreds of characters above...psbattles.fandom.com
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Only thing I know is I'd be sitting back enjoying the show and eating popcorn
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Exquisite indeed.BB (Deagonx Canon)
BB from DeagonX's magnum opus Fate Extra CCC that was so magnificent it destroyed the "At the boundary of Tier 0" Nasuverse proposal on Vsbattles.com and made everyone drop the discussion, in which she digitized the Ultimate Reality of the verse despite there being hundreds of characters above...
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yea, someone sent it to me over discord, it was pretty funny
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anyway, nasu being compared to shinza scaling-wise is a joke, and I’m saying this as someone who prefers typemoon as a series.
when did type-moon fans get tiktok powerscale brainrotted
when did type-moon fans get tiktok powerscale brainrotted
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I'm not getting the joke then, Deagonx is against tier 0 Root and was even against the 6-d dimensions of Avalon (that he'll probably come back to eventually?)
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the joke is BB is the funny strongest character
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Ok, but what does Deagonx (the Admin) have to do with it?
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probably to do with the aarguments he said in the last thread about her digitizing and understanding the root
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Because he said BB's Digitization works similarly to that of the root, or at least the statement made by shiki.
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In all honesty I could care less for the tier 1 stuff so not interested in buffs or nerfs there
I also don't necessarily think every "dimensional" statement in Nasu is referring to the kind VSkek kind and tbh most are vague.
Now I do think the Moon Cell could probs scrape by on this site's rules but offhandedly that's the only one I can think of
(I'm ignoring the Root since that's something else)
I also don't necessarily think every "dimensional" statement in Nasu is referring to the kind VSkek kind and tbh most are vague.
Now I do think the Moon Cell could probs scrape by on this site's rules but offhandedly that's the only one I can think of
(I'm ignoring the Root since that's something else)
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Ohhh that
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DefinitelyOnly thing I know is I'd be sitting back enjoying the show and eating popcorn
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yea, that’s what most of the fandom agrees with as well, makes the most sense.
the mooncell is not infinite in size (the data inside of it amounts to millions of light years of light, iirc)
and characters like U-Olga Marie, that are stronger than anything in the extra verse (keep in mind, eresh alter and Zeus could beat sefar, and they are weaker than Olga)
are directly compared to a star in power output
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I think we talked about this like 2 weeks ago, but I'm not sure why data aspect matters when that's just an abstract concept. Shouldn't have any bearing on the size. (And I don't care about the 8D thing personally, just saying within this site's rules it may fit).
If you really wanna argue it's finite there's a better argument one could make, even if it's something I don't agree with
That second bit you already know my issues with
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spiritrons are very not abstract in the TM verse, FYI. and the data is explicitly stored in a physical medium
OC3 pretty much outright confirms they’re all connected, as Hakuno in there remembers events that are CCC exclusive, and do not happen in extella or extella zero (like andersen.)That second bit you already know my issues with
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Yeah those are digital bodies for the cast, I'm aware. That doesn't necessarily mean it's incapable of abstract stuff though, see the Recorded and Observed Universe shenanigans
Also fyi we know next to nothing about Extella Zero outside of vague references and Nasu's old blog that still didn't cover some details. I also have some other thoughts about that...
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what are your guys thoughts on the summer event that happened a few weeks ago?
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Well, like I've said several times, I'm against the verse getting deleted and reworked because I know damn well no one is actually going to rework anything for the entire verse. It's just too much damn work. What we have so far is the best we can get. Restarting wouldn't make things more accurate like we all think.
Secondly, Wankbreaker doesn't understand anything about Type-Moon. He thinks Kiara reached the root and thinks the Root is not even 1A. Like are we seriously gonna depend on this guy lol? Blud should stick to his Masada fanfic.
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Same with the Moon Cell and Chaos using the energy of a star. What makes this even more amusing is that you could argue the Sun is some supernatural entity with infinite energy and yada yada. But that falls apart instantly when you know that the sun in question,has a finite energy output measured in joules as literally every other star. I'm honestly shocked how people can, or rather said, try to argue Low 1-C and above ratings, when the series itself argue against them.
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It's not even logical. Unlike Masadaverse that got yeeted for several valid reasons, the only gripe with people regarding Nasu is that the profiles are outdated. If thats the case, then update it lol. Cuz as far as im concerned, the scalings are pretty accurate per wiki standards.
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This is sad if true lol
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I might quit the wiki if Nasuverse gets deleted. Since it’s one of my favorite series
