They are beings who are born 'broken'. They naturally have the ability to kill with immense skill, beyond what normal people can do. This is arguably the most explicit thing about both characters, and I'm genuinely surprised you haven't picked up on it. Take Arcueid's description, matching the same thing TATARI and Kiri talk about:
People like Kishima and Shiki, are born 'broken'. Natural Killers, beyond normal people who have to learn how to kill.
Kishima Kouma, possessing a semblance of "death" within him, proved too formidable for Kiri Nanaya, who merely pursued death but did not inherently possess it.
While this is true, even assuming this WAS talking about "origins" (which it is not), this doesn't make people with Origins awakened better than people without Origins awakened.
Once again, this is about "natural born killers" and "unnatural" killers. There is a "horizon" that one can reach, which is where people like Kouma and Tohno are naturally at. To be blunt, they "start" where other people "end".
However, once again, this is NOT an instant win for people born like this. Red Demon God makes this even more explicit, with it all but saying that Kiri was outright more powerful than Kouma was, but just severely weakened.
So, to summarize:
-theme of story is “Kiri was going to win”
-Said over and over again that Kiri was massively weakened
-Narration outright says if a weakened Kiri had hit Kouma literally any harder, Kouma's head would’ve exploded
-If you want to include the Remake, Arcueid outright agrees with the line of thinking that "Kiri would smoke Kouma"
I may... genuinely want to ask if you've read the stories involved? I'm not sure how you've gotten to that line of thinking, because neither the story nor the author supports it.
So Araya Souren is also a "master of death", but his death represents the ultimate finality and cessation of being that is superior to both Nanaya's "Killing" and Kouma's "Destruction", on top of actually having centuries of combat experience that surpassess anyone in the modern era according to the novel. While Nanaya has done all the aforementioned feats while only having basic training from Kiri. Sion also notes that Shiki's mind surpassess his body and makes him surpass his limits when filled with concentration, which amps his body and phyisical abilities:
As I've already explained before, no. Araya is not a "master of death", or anything around the sort. He had to develop and train his abilities, and to be blunt, nothing even implies that he's anywhere near Kouma or Tohno. However, I do want to question this:
While Nanaya has done all the aforementioned feats while only having basic training from Kiri.
While, again, I genuinely may need to ask if you've ever read the story you're talking about? Because Shiki explicitly has everything the Nanaya Clan has - in fact, he has MORE than that, given what's implied.
While, again, Nanaya was only taught "the basics" by Kiri (as Nanaya Shiki is NOT 'born broken', while Tohno Shiki is), the text openly says that he had been copying Kiri's movements while he was practicing on his own. And from what we see in Kagetsu Tohya, he fully mastered everything before even the age of six, putting him far above someone like Ryougi Shiki, who even while much older, was still openly weaker than her father, much less ANY Nanaya Clan member.
He even openly has their ultimate technique.
Sion also notes that Shiki's mind surpassess his body and makes him surpass his limits when filled with concentration, which amps his body and phyisical abilities:
While while true and valid, I'm not sure why you would bother explaining this? This is true for ALL Nanaya, not just Shiki.
We see this in Ryougi Shiki too in various instances and Lio Shirazumi, so this is presumably an effect of an Origin Awakening, which explains why they are so absurdly powerful in comparison to others. And Araya has the strongest willpower and mental composure in the verse for various reasons, including being able to win against the collective will of mankind.
As I've said before: No, this is not "an effect of origin awakening", nor are they even "absurdly powerful in comparison to others". Ryougi in Fate/Grand Order openly JUMPED a Pre-Camelot Mash and barely was able to give her the equivalent of a papercut, only barely touching her armor. This would make her... starving refugee level, considering she had trouble with Saruhan during Camelot before her massive power-amps.
Ironically, this stays consistent with KnK, with Knife Ryougi being HYPED UP by the ability to travel... three meters per second in book three.
| Kara no Kyoukai Book Three |
| Shiki starts to run. Her speed is incredible, despite the pooling water and violent wind. It should not take more than three seconds to reduce the distance between them from ten meters to zero. Enough time to bring Fujino's frail body to the ground and stab her in her heart. But even that speed cannot match the speed of sight. Shiki has to close in on her target while Fujino only has to look at her target. For the two, that difference of three seconds is too long. |
Even then, she's STILL openly weaker than Fujino, a *******
branch family member of the Demon Hunter Organization, having to rely on an environmental advantage in order to beat her. This trend continues with other fights with DHO members, like Kirie Fujou, inwhich Ryougi has to rely on third-party assistance via the mechanical arm that Touko made for her.
