Well, Melty Blood Red Arcueid (aka a healthy and power restored Arc) yeah. I wouldn't say Tsukihime Red Arcueid since she's massively nerfed there lol.
remake red arcueid is DEFINITELY not nerfed
The above convo is talking about OG
red arc never appears outside of melty in the og canon iirc
He's referring to the times Arcueid is let's her bloodlust loose in Tsuki. Melty is just when it's given an official name
ah, but i still think shiki should be above arcuied (outside of archetype). Like EOS shiki literally acts as her protector or something and he is able to destroy the moon castle which even full power arcuied cannot do.
Satsujinki Shiki has interesting feats ye. As for him being above normal Arc, the most solid feats would be him stomping Nero Chaos, who Arc said she'd need her full power to beat, scaling above base Aoko, who Arcueid would rather avoid fighting, and defeating full power Akiha, who's stated in mats to be above Arcueid.
Yeah, this is dumb. Or maybe he said that because Void Shiki doesn't care about whatever is happening and would fight normally instead of using her Root powers but that's not clear at all. I remember reading somewhere she wouldn't be able to win against the Beasts but that's it. In any case, this is stupid.
Great, Nasu's retconning important stuff. NOT CONFUSING AT ALL
No shit, Void Shiki is literally connected to the Root itself to the point she can use it and can do whatever the **** she wants at anytime, even AE doesn't have that, the only other is that little psycho Manaka and ever since Fate Prototype, she hasn't been seendude literally tried to downplay void shiki to wank servants lolthankfully no one takes him seriously
Which is weird considering they're still part of the same timeline and the powerscale didn't seem to change that much in most works. Then again, even recently the powerscale is a bit weird, like between the Lostbelt Kings
Morgan being this low is a crime
hell no, harem protag shirou in the doujins is memetic tier and a worthy rival for ultra instinct shaggy
Harem protag Ritsuka doe >>>>
Ngl, i don't understand how the scaling chain even work.
LmaooooRitsuka rizzed
then there is
From what I understand, Morgan, Zeus and Arjuna are supposed to be the strongest. Ivan is apparently the weakest, yet he's supposed to be able to go after Zeus. Meanwhile Morgan is apparently above all the others because of all the absurd stuff she can do but she pales compared to what Arjuna and Zeus can do, Zeus in particular was strong enough to get even with Sefar and was strong enough to hold his own until Excalibur blasted her to oblivion. You also have Kukulkan in LB7 who is literally the heart of her version of ORT which would make her ABSURDLY overpowered for the entire Nasuverse. In short, Zeus, Arjuna, Morgan and Kukulkan are apparently above the others, with Zeus being possibly the strongest due to the ridiculous NP he has (the guy has Anti-Star System, Space-Time and Anti-Concept Shattering NP, this is so absurd even writing it makes me unable to see straight anymore) but aside from that, it's a complete mess
Not revealing and sexy enough, sorry lel
I argue that Kukulkan is the strongest and not Zeus mainly because she's the heart of ORT and you know how much of bs ORT are
Is the olga feat where she made zeus run away still valid ? Then Kukulkan outscales
Probably. I mean, it's ORT we're talking about
Not planning to though I keep a close eye on it, especially after I learned about a certain golden boy with a golden kimono serving as a RulerAlso Arkham, are you going to get Fate/Samurai Remnant?
The way the site currently takes it, Excalibur wasn't involved.
If I remember correctly, Nasu stated that Zeus merging with the other Machine Gods "merely" gave him the power to go even with Sefar and repel her, implying she still was destroyed by Excalibur in this timeline (she doesn't seem to be around by the time of the Lostbelt and I don't see the Velber going "Welp, we give up" considering their habits or Sefar herself deciding to simply go away, plus the Gigantomachia still happened and Giants in the Nasuverse are the reamnants of Sefar so she was probably destroyed in that timeline and since the only thing at that time that could fight and destroy her was Excalibur, this implies the sword was still forged). Apparently (I say that because I don't play the game so I'm not sure if he has this in-game) this is supposed to be represented by Zeus's skills in the game, each one representing the wars he has won, the Titanomachia for the war against the Titans, the Gigantomachia for the war against the Giants and the Olympiamachia for the war between the Machine Gods, yet he lacks a skill for the Leukosmachia (the war against Sefar, with "leukos" meaning white) which should be there if he really did win by himself.
Excalibur were never being brought up in Olympus. Everyone said it was Zeus who struck down the White Titan. There's many statement about this and even the narration also supported their statement.
Wether he killed her or not, he could go toe-to-toe with her anyway
A Zeus with all the rest of the twelve olympians could face Sefar and reach a draw. In the British lostbelt the olympians didn't fuse to defeat her nor Excalibur suddenly appeared to save the day, so Sefar was able to continuously grow more, which means that that was a stronger Sefar than the one peak Zeus got to a draw, and then the planet ended as a sea.
Her Rhongos would had be able to defeat him and Castoria was capable to deal heavy damage to him despite the fact that she herself stated how pathetic was that she couldn't bring Rhongo full power like Morgan.
From memory, didn't switching to Excalibur allow Castoria to use the same amount of power as Morgan would have? If so, she only would have been able to expose the core.
That comparison was made by a character who didn't even know Zeus' full power. Caenis was repeatedly surprised by Zeus' actual capabilities.
Not really, after notice how she was unable to fully use Rhongo she decided to sacrifice her all to switch Rhongo with Excalibur and then she was able to destroy 90% of Cernunnos curses. While doing this Castoria stated that until the very end her strength wasn't anything close to her rival Morgan, and that only by literally giving her everything is that she could show who she was to Morgan and finish what Morgan should had done two thousand years ago (this would imply that Morgan two thousand years ago was already able to destroy Cernunnos, which in turn means that current Morgan would be stronger as she gathered more power in those years).
Even if we take it as don't meaning Zeus at full power, it would still put Zeus normal output below Ivan as Ivan at that moment was just literally sleeping (and obviously he would be stronger awaken compared to when sleeping), so the fact remain that they aren't that far apart in power even if Zeus end being stronger.
Zeus was operating as a terminal prior to the big fight in Olympus. Ivan would be comparable to a terminal that Zeus can mass produce, like he did against the Storm Border.
Touche. Ibuki was said to be comparable in senses alone.
To think that if Olga was here, it could have been a LOT easier considering what the Animusphere does
Caenis master was Wodime, you know, the dude able to kill gods aletheia with his magic and that took down Zeus (a Zeus that wasn't going with his all yes, but that still considered he needed to go with everything to fight him). So she should be perfectly capable to know how strong is Zeus before he gives his all.
Caenis was "shocked" (more than shocked the word would be annoyed) due to being unable to use her full power in the fight (Musashi even go as far to say how they were at a disadvantage before Zeus went with all due to Aegis reaching its limits and Caenis being unable to use all her power). She was also initially annoyed from his gravity trick but despite that still fought against him so that don't matter much. The only time when Caenis was really shocked was after Zeus went with everything and unleashed several new Authorities.
I agree that Zeus is stronger, it just that he isn't so far stronger that he would be the strongest lostbelt king at full power, he is more in the lower-mid parts of the scaling compared with the top tiers.
No way this is true, Magellan was used by Olga to manifest. In short Morgan failed to destroy the Fantasy Tree even by exploiting the connection between her fantasy tree and Magellan. Besides Kirschtaria was able to defend Rhong despite being exhausted after fighting Chaldea means that Morgan just a little bit stronger than him. Kirschtaria was only rivaling terminal Zeus, he can't match Zeus Mechanical Body which mean Kirschtaria is still weaker than the likes of Arjuna Alter and Surtr. So Morgan isn't anywhere stronger than them.
No, she was only compared to Terminal Zeus and other Olympians, so she is still weaker than true body Zeus, she was defeated offscreen by Douman anyway. Also that Surtr clone isn't anywhere close to the real Surtr because the real Surtr could easily destroy the entire Tunguska with a single swing of his sword. In LB 2 Loptr Laegarn was stated to be able to destroy the entire LB 2.
wasn't wodime also dying due to his circuits being wrecked by his father or something?
