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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

KingNanaya said:
I think it would be pretty cool. I think he does pick up some new stuff, if I remember correctly.
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Well, he does have some interesting feats like beating Dead Apostle Einnashe (who killed over 100 hunters from various organizations).
He also kills Dead Apostle Louvre, the DAA who replaced Nero Chaos.

I've said this off site but Shiki is very underrated.
 
Violatas said:
Well, he does have some interesting feats like beating Dead Apostle Einnashe (who killed over 100 hunters from various organizations).
He also kills Dead Apostle Louvre, the DAA who replaced Nero Chaos.

I've said this off site but Shiki is very underrated.
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shiki is disregarded as low servant tier but i think he beats like at least 95% of them
 
BasedNecoScaler69 said:
neg diffed by roa-shiki :troll:
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tu madre
Violatas said:
Well, he does have some interesting feats like beating Dead Apostle Einnashe (who killed over 100 hunters from various organizations).
He also kills Dead Apostle Louvre, the DAA who replaced Nero Chaos.

I've said this off site but Shiki is very underrated.
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I feel like he could potentially be low 6-B then. And doesn't he no longer use the Mystic Eyes Killers? maybe he could get resistance to madness manipulation? I'll have to go through everything when I get the chance. working on some profiles for a mobile gacha right now
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Shiki would fold foddermesh
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already did.
 
KingNanaya said:
tu madre

I feel like he could potentially be low 6-B then. And doesn't he no longer use the Mystic Eyes Killers? maybe he could get resistance to madness manipulation? I'll have to go through everything when I get the chance. working on some profiles for a mobile gacha right now

already did.
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He still has the MEoD. He does actually take his blindfold off at one point when he was searching for Einnashe. When he has it on though, he's not using them.
 
(Fate fan since 2021 here, got into it a lot and also a bit of everything from Garden to Tsukihime but mainly Fate so maybe I'm gonna be wrong with what I'm gonna say)

Nasu did say something about Ryougi, namely that while the MEoD can destroy pretty much anything by cutting their lines of death, you have to actually land a hit to cut that line. MEoD can't just cut stuff from afar, they would get close and land a hit. And the problem is that Servants are so above even augmented humans and mages the difference in their physical parameters makes it nearly impossible to engage them head-on (that plus the Servants are basically projections from the record of the Throne of Heroes so to really destroy the Servant, you'd have to destroy the record itself). And I'm not even talking about the broken ones like Gilgamesh, Karna, Saber, Achilles, Sigurd, etc, technically even a shitty Servant like Shakespeare would shred both Shikis to pieces with his bare hands. It's also kind of the idea behind Shiki Ryougi as an Assassin in FGO, she's a weak Servant E-rank strength but has powerful skills.

Essentially, the idea is that on a technical level, MEoD users can kill Servants but they'd normally lose in a fight due to the Servants being so absurdly above human limitations even going after some of the weakest like True Assassin would be like a mouse fighting an airplane.

Also found something from a Q&A Nasu did but I don't know how old it is (source, Type-Moon wiki, Shiki Tohno page, abilities section)

Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?

A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

Again, I don't know how old this statement is and it's still working, especially after the Tsukihime remake
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
(Fate fan since 2021 here, got into it a lot and also a bit of everything from Garden to Tsukihime but mainly Fate so maybe I'm gonna be wrong with what I'm gonna say)

Nasu did say something about Ryougi, namely that while the MEoD can destroy pretty much anything by cutting their lines of death, you have to actually land a hit to cut that line. MEoD can't just cut stuff from afar, they would get close and land a hit. And the problem is that Servants are so above even augmented humans and mages the difference in their physical parameters makes it nearly impossible to engage them head-on (that plus the Servants are basically projections from the record of the Throne of Heroes so to really destroy the Servant, you'd have to destroy the record itself). And I'm not even talking about the broken ones like Gilgamesh, Karna, Saber, Achilles, Sigurd, etc, technically even a shitty Servant like Shakespeare would shred both Shikis to pieces with his bare hands. It's also kind of the idea behind Shiki Ryougi as an Assassin in FGO, she's a weak Servant E-rank strength but has powerful skills.

Essentially, the idea is that on a technical level, MEoD users can kill Servants but they'd normally lose in a fight due to the Servants being so absurdly above human limitations even going after some of the weakest like True Assassin would be like a mouse fighting an airplane.

Also found something from a Q&A Nasu did but I don't know how old it is (source, Type-Moon wiki, Shiki Tohno page, abilities section)

Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?

A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

Again, I don't know how old this statement is and it's still working, especially after the Tsukihime remake
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Yeah that statement from Nasu is horrifically out dated. Shiki Tohno scales above Ciel and Kouma. He should even be above base Aoko since Nero Chaos forced Aoko to retreat in Melty. Ryougi outright beats Nero Chaos in Melty Blood, who (going by profiles) is on par with Servants, and various other characters that scale to Servants. Her dialogue even implies she beat Nero easily at that. And then there's just her beating 99 Servants in Fate Extra
 
Hey, someone's been going through the Artoria profiles and changing the age to 35 chronologically. Just a heads up, we should probably make a CRT to change it back to at least 25 because we now know she was 15 when she pulled the sword and ruled as king for 10 years. Also, to whoever is doing this, you need to stop and make a CRT for changes.
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
And Summer 2023 is over, time to update my tier list soon 👀
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IT'S TIME
Here is my updated list of the most sexualized/best f**p materials/lewdest summer servants:
Included Tonelico as well of course, i have rank up Hinako/Yu Senpai to EX Rank due of how outlandish her design (then again, i already think that her in A rank didn't quite right lel)
I also specified some of them here

Overall, niiiiice
Tho i wish Summer Bob is more outlandish and revealing, like c'mon! Her regular version is way more revealing (read: 2nd ascension of Archer Bob) 😬😭
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
IT'S TIME
Here is my updated list of the most sexualized/best f**p materials/lewdest summer servants:
Included Tonelico as well of course, i have rank up Hinako/Yu Senpai to EX Rank due of how outlandish her design (then again, i already think that her in A rank didn't quite right lel)
I also specified some of them here

Overall, niiiiice
Tho i wish Summer Bob is more outlandish and revealing, like c'mon! Her regular version is way more revealing (read: 2nd ascension of Archer Bob) 😬😭
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🤨
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
IT'S TIME
Here is my updated list of the most sexualized/best f**p materials/lewdest summer servants:
Included Tonelico as well of course, i have rank up Hinako/Yu Senpai to EX Rank due of how outlandish her design (then again, i already think that her in A rank didn't quite right lel)
I also specified some of them here

Overall, niiiiice
Tho i wish Summer Bob is more outlandish and revealing, like c'mon! Her regular version is way more revealing (read: 2nd ascension of Archer Bob) 😬😭
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🤔
 
Mageman460 said:
Hey, someone's been going through the Artoria profiles and changing the age to 35 chronologically. Just a heads up, we should probably make a CRT to change it back to at least 25 because we now know she was 15 when she pulled the sword and ruled as king for 10 years. Also, to whoever is doing this, you need to stop and make a CRT for changes.
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The other artoria profiles are still fine trought.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
The other artoria profiles are still fine trought.
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Most of them are wrong. They have the age of 14 physically, 24 chronologically or just 24. It should be at least 25 chronologically, 15 physically. We got a direct statement of her age when she pulled Caliburn in LB 6 being 15. We also learn she was the king for 10 years, so she'd be at least 25. The exception are the Servantverse Artoria and Lancer Artoria variants. Technically the Lancer ones are only likely 25. We have no reason to assume she lived longer than Saber in life.
 
Mageman460 said:
Most of them are wrong. They have the age of 14 physically, 24 chronologically or just 24. It should be at least 25 chronologically, 15 physically. We got a direct statement of her age when she pulled Caliburn in LB 6 being 15. We also learn she was the king for 10 years, so she'd be at least 25. The exception are the Servantverse Artoria and Lancer Artoria variants. Technically the Lancer ones are only likely 25. We have no reason to assume she lived longer than Saber in life.
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I meant like, they don't have the 35 age thing yet, so they are okay in that regard.

Btw, do we need CRT to alter the age of a character? I trought this as a minor thing that can be changed and explained in the "what changes as been made in this page" section.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
(Fate fan since 2021 here, got into it a lot and also a bit of everything from Garden to Tsukihime but mainly Fate so maybe I'm gonna be wrong with what I'm gonna say)

Nasu did say something about Ryougi, namely that while the MEoD can destroy pretty much anything by cutting their lines of death, you have to actually land a hit to cut that line. MEoD can't just cut stuff from afar, they would get close and land a hit. And the problem is that Servants are so above even augmented humans and mages the difference in their physical parameters makes it nearly impossible to engage them head-on (that plus the Servants are basically projections from the record of the Throne of Heroes so to really destroy the Servant, you'd have to destroy the record itself). And I'm not even talking about the broken ones like Gilgamesh, Karna, Saber, Achilles, Sigurd, etc, technically even a shitty Servant like Shakespeare would shred both Shikis to pieces with his bare hands. It's also kind of the idea behind Shiki Ryougi as an Assassin in FGO, she's a weak Servant E-rank strength but has powerful skills.

Essentially, the idea is that on a technical level, MEoD users can kill Servants but they'd normally lose in a fight due to the Servants being so absurdly above human limitations even going after some of the weakest like True Assassin would be like a mouse fighting an airplane.

Also found something from a Q&A Nasu did but I don't know how old it is (source, Type-Moon wiki, Shiki Tohno page, abilities section)

Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants?

A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko.
If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.

Again, I don't know how old this statement is and it's still working, especially after the Tsukihime remake
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That is just nasu's servant bias and wank. Dude literally tried to say that VOID SHIKI would struggle against servants, aka dude literally lost all credibility. To give an idea of tohno shiki's BS:

1.Dude stomped full power Akiha while rapidly dying, and full power akiha is massively above ciel and exceeds even red arcuied, who is literally said to be equal to Type Moon in raw power.
2.Literally held down red arcuied with one hand. (The fact people say it is a weakened arcuied is bs, since she was explicitly in her red form in vn)
3.Destroyed something which even the TYPES cannot destroy quite easily.
4.Can destroy concepts beyond human comprehension
I can go on and on. Reminder, this is the same nasu who repeatedly claimed arcuied is the strongest character in his verse. Honestly dude originally did not intend tohno to be so strong and was forced by his team to do so. So he downplays tohno without knowing jackshit about his feats and speaks nonsense, and the new tsukihime remake has tohno as a fodder to the point even hardcore tsukihime fans acknowledge his weakness compared to OG.

Nasu knows jack shit about his own verse, and his statements should be only considered if they don't contradict the canon lore and guidebooks.
For further idea, this respect thread about tohno (although incomplete) can be used
comicvine.gamespot.com

Original Tsukihime: Shiki Nanaya/Tohno Respect Thread - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine

Overview:This thread will be dedicated to showing off all of the feats, statements, and scaling in regards to Shiki Nanaya/Tohno. The majority of this
comicvine.gamespot.com comicvine.gamespot.com
 
Kinoko Nasu's statements mean nothing when it comes to interviews. He's not even a credible source to his own works😭
 
Grand_Saver_Ritsuka said:
That is just nasu's servant bias and wank. Dude literally tried to say that VOID SHIKI would struggle against servants, aka dude literally lost all credibility. To give an idea of tohno shiki's BS:

1.Dude stomped full power Akiha while rapidly dying, and full power akiha is massively above ciel and exceeds even red arcuied, who is literally said to be equal to Type Moon in raw power.
2.Literally held down red arcuied with one hand. (The fact people say it is a weakened arcuied is bs, since she was explicitly in her red form in vn)
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Well, that's because Arcueid throughout 99% of Tsukihime is weakened. She still doesn't have her power back from Roa at this point, and she's still in pain from when Nanaya killed her.

Everything else here is true though yeah.

Also, lol nice. Ik who made that RT. Well done
 
If Shiki Ryougi used her MEoDP against Tohno's MEoDP, Tohno is likely going to die.
 
Violatas said:
Well, that's because Arcueid throughout 99% of Tsukihime is weakened. She still doesn't have her power back from Roa at this point, and she's still in pain from when Nanaya killed her.

Everything else here is true though yeah.

Also, lol nice. Ik who made that RT. Well done
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yeah, but arcuied in her red form is TYPE level even while weakened. And nanaya blitzed her while being faar from his peak so...
 
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