• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Tdjwo said:
I'm tired of these guys lmao. They don't know anything at all.
Click to expand...
Nobody’s saying Tao isn’t High 1A. We’re saying the root isn’t High 1A just because it takes influence from Taoist philosophy, especially when the argument in question doesn’t even come from the source material but something almost entirely unrelated
 
NIK_FARIS said:
By itself sure. It just that the verse follow Type 4 multiverse.
Click to expand...
What 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Tarang123 said:
Nobody’s saying Tao isn’t High 1A. We’re saying the root isn’t High 1A just because it takes influence from Taoist philosophy, especially when the argument in question doesn’t even come from the source material but something almost entirely unrelated
Click to expand...
It's in the source material tho 💀
Ubdon said:
I'm just the type of guy who thinks 2 idiot that agree and 5 that disagree is worse than 5 agree and 2 disagree in this circus 🗣️
Click to expand...
What 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
 
Tarang123 said:
It’s literally not. That’s why people are against it
Click to expand...
This:
"Infinity is not "". In order to render infinity, one must define limits. Without limits, infinity does not exist. Infinity can be observed because objects possess limits. Ryougi Shiki was immersed in infinity, but found the non-existent limit and severed it.

Of course, limits do not exist within infinity, thus one cannot sever something that does not exist. As a result, escaping from this prison is impossible.

However --- without limits, infinity does not exist. Regardless if a finite wall existed, an limitless world is meaningless before Ryougi Shiki.

If there is no limit, then it is not infinity, but " ". If limits exist, then Rougi would find it and cut away everything.
Click to expand...
Is in relation to this

What is the Infinite? To define it as other than the finite is to set the infinite apart from the finite, and thereby limit it. To define the infinite, therefore, is to make it definite, and no longer infinite. In fact, to say anything at all of the Infinite, is to actually say nothing about the true Infinite. Like the Tao, the Infinite that can be named is not the true Infinite. The Infinite, then, is ineffable. …Or is it? If we think that the Infinite is ineffable, we have once again defined it by distinguishing it from what is not ineffable. The Infinite is so utterly ineffable that we cannot even say that it is ineffable. Even this, however, is saying too much.
Click to expand...
That is in relation to absolute infinity, because it also posits absolute infinity to only be absolute infinity. That's why there's a direct statement of Tao infinity being absolute infinity.

There's logic behind that and a direct statement.

Why does it feel like even when there's clear implications nasu has to make direct statements like "oh hey fans there's absolute infinity" before anything can be accepted when we know the nasuverse works under implications and barely makes direct statements.

It's weird how the verse had to work an extra mile before anything is accepted, but smt gets 1-A from a singular statement of the concept of space and I **** with smt but like what 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
 
Theoretical said:
It's weird how the verse had to work an extra mile before anything is accepted, but smt gets 1-A from a singular statement of the concept of space and I **** with smt but like what
Click to expand...
SMT also had a way more blatant 1A statement of being above the concept of dimensions.
 
Tarang123 said:
SMT also had a way more blatant 1A statement of being above the concept of dimensions.
Click to expand...
Same with the root. Its above taiji which captures the duality of everything including dimensions on a conceptual level. Not to mention the origin is the primordial essence of everything existing in the verse which would include dimensions and it traces on infinitely.
 
Tdjwo said:
Same with the root. Its above taiji which captures the duality of everything including dimensions on a conceptual level. Not to mention the origin is the primordial essence of everything existing in the verse which would include dimensions and it traces on infinitely.
Click to expand...
whos gonna tell him transduality or being above duality doesn't scale anywhere
 
Tdjwo said:
Same with the root. Its above taiji which captures the duality of everything including dimensions on a conceptual level. Not to mention the origin is the primordial essence of everything existing in the verse which would include dimensions and it traces on infinitely.
Click to expand...
But that isn’t based on extrapolation but a literal statement of transcending the concept of dimensions. Hell, there’s more context that makes it an even more blatant 1A. It’s not the same
 
Tarang123 said:
But that isn’t based on extrapolation but a literal statement of transcending the concept of dimensions. Hell, there’s more context that makes it an even more blatant 1A. It’s not the same
Click to expand...
Regardless, both transcend the concept of dimensions.
 
Tarang123 said:
SMT also had a way more blatant 1A statement of being above the concept of dimensions.
Click to expand...
Being above the concept of dimensions is arbitrarily 1-A? Ye no.
Tarang123 said:
But that isn’t based on extrapolation but a literal statement of transcending the concept of dimensions.
Click to expand...
That's nowhere near 1-A without context what.
Tarang123 said:
Hell, there’s more context that makes it an even more blatant 1A.
Click to expand...
No there's no more context it was only one scan.

With that same line of reasoning taiji capturing dualities conceptually would include the concept of space and time hence make the root 1-A without negative theology.

And even I disagree with just scaling concepts like that especially when they aren't shown to be completely independent of the reality they govern
BestMGQScalerEver said:
there is
Click to expand...
It says ein sof/absolute infinity, similarly like Taoism that's not cantor absolute infinity.
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
i think there is an outright statement of absolute infinity for SMT but idk.
Click to expand...
Same situation can be used for Nasuverse.
BestMGQScalerEver said:
Lmfao bro duality is conceptual by a default.
Click to expand...
No, space and time can be treated as a duality and both can exist as physical properties of reality it's not inherently conceptual.
BestMGQScalerEver said:
whos gonna tell him transduality or being above duality doesn't scale anywhere
Click to expand...
So being above space-time conceptually by extension concept of dimensions isn't 1-a? That's like the point you know....
 
Theoretical said:
Being above the concept of dimensions is arbitrarily 1-A? Ye no.
Click to expand...
Read the SMT thread. It wasn’t just that.


Theoretical said:
No there's no more context it was only one scan.

With that same line of reasoning taiji capturing dualities conceptually would include the concept of space and time hence make the root 1-A without negative theology.

And even I disagree with just scaling concepts like that especially when they aren't shown to be completely independent of the reality they govern
Click to expand...
Yeah, that scan had more context is what I’m saying.
 
Theoretical said:
It says ein sof/absolute infinity, similarly like Taoism that's not cantor absolute infinity.
Click to expand...
found it
セフィロートは、アインソフ (絶対的な 無限) と呼ばれる神から流出した神的な 属性によって生み出されたと考えられて いる。
The sefirot are thought to be created by a divine attribute that flows out from God, called ein sof (absolute infinity).
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
found it
セフィロートは、アインソフ (絶対的な 無限) と呼ばれる神から流出した神的な 属性によって生み出されたと考えられて いる。
The sefirot are thought to be created by a divine attribute that flows out from God, called ein sof (absolute infinity).
Click to expand...
That's exactly what Theoretical said.
 
Theoretical said:
It says ein sof/absolute infinity, similarly like Taoism that's not cantor absolute infinity.
Click to expand...
Can you give a complete argument for this?
Because this is not so obvious... By bringing up Ein Sof, you are indirectly also putting in the table concepts such as Ein, Atzmus, Tzimtzum, etc.
To even call Ein Sof "absolute infinity" is... awkward. (If you've read about Kabbalah, my point is that by calling it anything and describing it as a thing in itself with properties, you are already outside (or inside, a part, not the whole) of what would be "Ein Sof", because such actions would be at Chokmah/Binah-level)
 
LehenDuo said:
Can you give a complete argument for this?
Because this is not so obvious... By bringing up Ein Sof, you are indirectly also putting in the table concepts such as Ein, Atzmus, Tzimtzum, etc.
To even call Ein Sof "absolute infinity" is... awkward. (If you've read about Kabbalah, my point is that by calling it anything and describing it as a thing in itself with properties, you are already outside (or inside, a part, not the whole) of what would be "Ein Sof", because such actions would be at Chokmah/Binah-level)
Click to expand...
We'll talk later too lazy rn
 
rogueprestonian said:
So apparently a notorious translator from tumblr shinichameleon was discovered to have made up fake info about the series(especially apocrypha) and claimed it was from interviews. No source and all fan fiction.

Fate/Apocrypha: Free Range Spoiler Thread - Page 682

Go crazy, discuss and speculate to your hearts content, all. - - - Updated - - - Mostly because Leo was too slow in making it. :p
forums.nrvnqsr.com
Click to expand...
imma report him to rvr
 
rogueprestonian said:
So apparently a notorious translator from tumblr shinichameleon was discovered to have made up fake info about the series(especially apocrypha) and claimed it was from interviews. No source and all fan fiction.

Fate/Apocrypha: Free Range Spoiler Thread - Page 682

Go crazy, discuss and speculate to your hearts content, all. - - - Updated - - - Mostly because Leo was too slow in making it. :p
forums.nrvnqsr.com
Click to expand...
Nothing new under the sun.
Western TM Fandom is full of head canons, mistranslations and misinterpretations.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Violatas
  • Locked
Nasuverse: Word of God Scaling Removal
2
Replies
71
Views
10K
Firestorm808
Firestorm808
TyphonEX
  • Locked
Fate/Extra CCC p&a cleanup (Part 1?)
2
Replies
57
Views
5K
LephyrTheRevanchist
LephyrTheRevanchist
CrimsonStarFallen
  • Locked
Nasuverse Discussion Rule
2
Replies
56
Views
6K
Violatas
Violatas
OuterLine0
  • Locked
Nasuverse Tier 0 Update
Replies
11
Views
7K
Firestorm808
Firestorm808
Tdjwo
Minor Ability addition for some Nasuverse characters
Replies
22
Views
4K
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn
Back
Top