how the hell is that NOT len.Looks like we might be getting new lore (though it might end up being silly and trivial):
Love how you can find typos in the localization even in promotional messages (Neco-Arc -> Neko-Arc)
If you want the main reveal spoiled, here it is:
The shadowy figure is the true form of Neco-Arc, and all the Neco-Arc clones are subordinates to her.
Witch on the Holy Night's script is available on Tri-Hermes.
Doesn't Neko-Arc gets the same things Arcueid gets?
Where did you find this?
Archetype > Void > the verse. DDD is actually canon to Nasuverse though. Nasu just said it had no relation to KnK. But he said DDD was originally meant to be part of Fate/HA (big mistake) but didn't have the time so made it its own separate series (much better idea). it's still canon though and is about False and True Daemons. Kaie Karyou is probably the third strongest in the verse since he created four True Daemons that act as his limbs from what I've read and seems to be described as a True Daemon himself. i haven't fully read DDD yet, but I am in the middle of it. i've heard there's some crazy universal reality warping and shit (universal in the context of Nasuverse universal), which lines up with Kiara and Buddha being stated to be of universal scale and power if this is true, since CCC Kiara is compared to True Daemons. And she is massively above Amaterasu and whatnot contrary to popular belief since she was excluded from the people who could fight Kiara in CCC among other reasons. pretending that Nasuverse is one unified canon (it isn't anymore), GO Kiara is stated to be of a lower scale than her moon self anyways before anyone starts trying to scale her.
Type Lumina sucks and the
AFAIK Seth only recently got into Nasuverse. Think he should've held off on making a scaling vid for a good while. Also eh I find Type Lumina fun enough. Can't comment on the Remake since I'm still waiting on translations to iron themselves out more before deep diving it. And on the "unified canon" comment, I think it was posted here somewhere, but the Len in TL is reportedly the same one from the original continuity. Info comes from some leak recently. Interesting if true. Obviously gotta wait for her DLC though to see if its legit
Sure. Have work in 2 hours so will comment later.
Seth should've refrained from ever making a scaling video. he's not up to the task and uses an illogical form of tiering in general. he will always get the wrong answer because of this.
Except GO Kiara does scale since in the event it mentions after GO Kiara fused with CCC Kiara they became one and the same.
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Except GO Kiara does scale since in the event it mentions after GO Kiara fused with CCC Kiara they became one and the same.
Sessyoin Kiara
Among the innumerable versions of me in numberless universes, she was the most...unique. Zepar was very, very pleased with her. So much so that he linked us together.
Sessyoin Kiara
I...I who did nothing but suffer as Seraphix fell into a frenzy...
Sessyoin Kiara
...and into the other “me”, the one who acquired the Mooncell for herself.
Sessyoin Kiara
As a result of this link, we became one and the same.
Which does not actually contridict the statement of Beast III being inferior to CCC Kiara since from GO Kiara's description we know she first became a beast then fused with CCC Kiara.
She appears in “FGO” as a staff of the offshore oil platform Seraphix.
While she was exasperated upon being allocated to the Western church despite being a Buddhist, she wholeheartedly endeavored in her professional duties.
At this point of time Kiara was unmistakably a saint. But on January 2017, having escaped alive from the Temporal Temple, the demon pillar Zepar ended up hijacking her body and turning her into a puppet in order to rule over the Seraphix as a demon underling.
...or that was the intention, but at some point Zepar itself was dominated by Kiara, who turned into a fiend that could freely manipulate demon pillars and in the end metamorphosed into a Beast.
Kiara discovered her most excellent self among the many parallel worlds and fused with it.
Bringing up the imaginary phenomena of the CCC world to the FGO world, she turned her own body into a SE.RA.PH and grew by making Servants into source of nutrients.
Ultimately, she schemed to become one with the Earth, but her climax was obstructed by Meltlilith, BB, Passionlip and Chaldea’s Master.
She became more obedient by turning into an Alterego.
To be specific, she vowed to herself to lead a continent life until her contract ends.
Therefore, even though her personality has not changed, she no longer thinks of preying on everyone she lays eyes upon.
Her attitude towards the Master is just like the enemy of Buddha - the Mara.
Even while awaiting in anticipation for the moment when the Master will lose to his desires and indulge in her, she cheers on so that he does not lose to her temptations.
Sesshōin Kiara
Sesshōin Kiara was available for summoning during the: Beast III/R from the SE.RA.PH Event is the NPC and enemy version of her. She has the highest HP values out of all Alter Egos. She shares the exact ATK values at both minimum and maximum with Sitonai. She shares the exact ATK values at...
Anyone?
Guess we just have to agree to disagree because I don't see anything that suggest they only fused personalities
Could be just differences in interpretation. The description I send had the events laid out as 2017 Zepar made Kiara a doll and intended to use her as a puppet. Then she turned the table and became a beast. This is immedietly followed by them mentioning Kiara fusing with CCC Kiara so I interpreted as a sequence of events. However looking back, this is actually contridicted by Kiara herself since she claimed to have been a human when they fused and that it was Zepar who searched for other Kiaras in the parralle worlds. She could be lying and I honesty believe the descriptions more, but I concede on this point.
I don't remember Kiara fighting servant before BB nerfed her, unless you are talking about the battle where you don't buy the BB nerfs, where is this its been a while since I read the event from start to finish.
the fact she is not fighting cracked multiversal reality warpers at infinite speeds like in CCC while nerfed and holding back by preferring to use hand to hand combat more than usual instead of using her full "god abilities". she cannot handle Chaldea and clone BB by instantly blitz killing them in GO with infinite power or crazy hax. your quote also says that she became a beast "in the end" which should mean the final product after fusing personalities with her CCC self.
So the reason they only fused personaliltes is beause of scaling? If thats it then like I said we can agree to disagree.
She was stated to be a True Demon by BB who should be reliable enough. And if the only reason you think the canon should be split is because of scaling then we once again have to agree to disagree because Nasu is still supervising them and if he want to **** up the scaling he can since its his canon.
The statement also says that it is not counting servants which imply that they will be on the list if they are included. So unless you are telling me FSN servants are true demon level then I would take that statement with a grain of salt. Also minor nitpick the statement says Arcueid not the archetypes so only archetype earth.
Because they are trying to tell a story? If at the finale she just showed up and killed everyone then that wouldn't be a every good ending. Also a clone BB nerfing her would just be a feat for clone BB.
i mean scaling matters from a story perspective for the sake of consistency. but also because again, it seems becoming a beast was the final product, which is stated to be below her moon self.
BB has never encountered a True Daemon. it specifically states that True Daemons have never manifested in Extra. not in Gaia or the Moon Cell at least which are BB's only points of reference.
a good story requires consistency. if we have a multiversal reality warper randomly jobbing to fodder, the story falls a part. GO and current Nasuverse may be bad and all over the place but it's clear they were trying to explicitly state that GO Kiara is weaker than her Moon self to fix any scaling issues.
the real BB in CCC could only nerf Kaira due to being inside her with the other Sakuras assisting her. and they could only do that due to their love for Hakuno, which wouldn't apply here. said nerf also only nerfed Kiara to CCC Gilgamesh's level with White Sakura amps. higher actually because she was holding back via carelessness and personal preference of primary combat on top of being nerfed. in GO this an absurdly weaker BB with virtually no power or hax compared to her CCC self, is outside of Kiara's body and Hakuno is not a factor here. yet if Kiara is equal to her CCC self, she still got nerfed and somehow even harder than ever before.
While it is true a consistent scaling is always good to have, I won't say it is essential to a good story (it is to a great story but if there wasn't a consitent scaling but other parts of the story was good I really don't care too much.) Nasuverse has always struggled to try and keep a consitent scaling so I sort of tune it out when I read/watch them especially if they are by different authors.
To be honest I'm enjoying some of the newer nasuverse more than th old ones especially the recent lostbelts.
I was just talking about the feats in the original Angle Notes not ultimate ones as a whole sorry if there was some confusion. I only remember one continetal feat by Jupiter. The problem with the three ultimate ones "dying" is that each one of them was suppose to be able to wipe of humanity by itself, and although we know V/V can do it we have no information on Jupiter and Pluto. Them being stopped also make it hard to see them each having the ability to end humanity. Personally Notes is one of my favorite works by Nasu, and I really liked the hopelessness it gave, but I wanted more of it. I'm pretty sure humanity got wiped out in the end (at least that is my head canon), but I wanted to be bleaker. I think this is just due to the fact that we never got to see the final fight and the Ultimate ones were rather passive during the story so it made them seem weaker to me. TL;DR my main problem is that most of the cool shit happened "off screen".
ah yes, like how many people casually know this outside of the website and battle boarding. you know people who actually know what they're talking about. but hey, stick with that Complex Multiversal hydrogen bomb Tiamat that totally isn't bullshit or anything. or how she has immeasurable speed yet took a significant amount of time to even cross the ocean to reach Uruk. or how you flip flop on Word of God being usable or not. like saying Nasu's words should be rejected entirely even if not contradicted and then use contradicted statements later to wank Servants. or how you agree with Melty Blood Arcade Routes for one thread then say they are invalid the next one for reasons that anyone who played the games would know are bullshit. and then you don't reply after you get debunked even after someone comes in asking if you will because "no one really debunked Crystal". of course you don't come back though even after that. keep on rocking buddy. let people who actually know about the lore beyond just power scaling and Fate do the talking. you are borderline Seth tier.
Finally on break rn but while I don't even agree with all his takes, I really don't think this kinda wording is necessary.
Agreed.
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he's just salty he's been debunked by me and several others when he comes up with random nonsense. dude can't even make an argument without contradicting his previous one every second.
May i get citations for this? Because you forgot about the Gods, Buddha > CCC kiara. Then there's Zeus where his Terminal body is already compared to The Primordial Buddha aka Amaterasu.
CCC world follows different rule than GO world. The same reason why Servantverse' Servant can casually destroy planets while GO need a lot of bullshit to do that and they still failed.
I think the main problem is that he looks at scaling as a sophist, not trying to reflect the work the best way possible. And, even if you don't like him, you gotta admit he is a good sophist if you watch his debate videos.
It's basically a part of Gilgamesh character that he will never actually use 100% of his power. That's is one of the reasons Gil vs Enkidu in Fate/Strange Fake was such a awesome scene - he knew he could actually go all out because he was against the only person he actually considered an equal. And in F/SF, even if Tine is probably one of the biggest magical energy battery so far in the story, he is in a Servant vessel.
People always forget that BB had her NP sealed in the fight, also. The 1% chance is with her WITHOUT NP. (Going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it's like this.)
No, it doesnt.
This is a theme since Kawa no Kyoukai. "Resolve", the kanji used, means "to solve a problem", but, they are also an euphemism for murder/killing someone.
I mean... that is exactly what a sophist is hahaha
