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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Speaking of the ETSO, we don’t scale it to Kaguya because it was created with the SA Chakra instead of her own, right?

This is faulty imo because it ignores a valuable piece of information. When Kaguya was FIRST reborn via BZ absorbing IT Chakra, it was stated that he was absorbing Chakra from “Those trapped in IT”. Unlike the Databook statement of Chakra being absorbed solely from Shinobi trapped in IT, this was a statement of Generality, meaning it can be taken as meaning she absorbed some Chakra from everyone in the world.

If the ETSO is created using Chakra from JUST Shinobi, then Resurrected Kaguya is stronger than the ETSO by virtue of having Absorbed Chakra from the World vs just Shinobi.

The only arguments against this is if you think the remaining Shinobi not killed are collectively > The Entire World Collectively (Which is false, especially because they are included) or you somehow try to twist the generality statement as meaning the Shinobi and no one else for which there is no statement or context supporting that.

World IT Chakra (Incl. Shinobi) > Shinobi IT Chakra = ETSO
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
WE HAVE ENOUGH ITACHI CONTENT

DO ONE ABOUT HAGOROMO, OR HAMURA, OR ASURA AND INDRA, OR KAGUYA, OR THE BIJUU, OR LITERALLY ANY FAMOUS KAGE
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Hagoromo and the Otsutsuki were very poorly placed, the third oneshot will be of Sakura, for Hagoromo and the others maybe he will make a footnote (God how I hate the Naruto fandom).
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
this isnt aimed at anyone specifically but given its a topic thats brought up a lot over the years

i want you guys to know that even if the ETSB was 2-C, yall realize it wouldnt scale to anyone meaningfully for the same reason the ETSB doesnt right now, and all the boruto characters would be as they are.

getting the ETSO to 2-C and then scaling it to people individually are two entirely different metas , with each one being harder than the last. getting 2-C ETSO is a hurdle in itself but getting anyone to scale to it physically is an exponential increase in difficulty thats not only hampered by how isolated the ETSB scaling is but by the existence of significantly more internally consistent physical scaling post kaguya era metas.

This isnt meant to be an inherent dismisal of these kinds of metas, ive gone on record of saying that calling kaguya's dimension a universe isnt some outlandish interpretation but i think its important to make the distinction between what you think makes sense verus working within a system that has defined standards in how they handle things.

This is why a lot of newcomers end up getting butt hurt when their threads get significant push back, they end up coming here acting as if they discovered a new science that nobody else understands without doing the meaningful research to understand how we handle specific things, they want to have the satisfication of the wiki's rating without understanding how the wiki works. most outside forums are not beholden to any specific standard other than your own, this isnt applicable to the wiki.

so whenever you want to make a future CRT, keep that in mind. instead of trying fit a a square peg into a round hole, use the wiki's standards to strengthen your point and youll end up having a far better time creating CRT's
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I understand that Kaguya's ETSO (Expansive Truth-Seeking Orb) wouldn't scale directly to any character, including Kaguya herself. However, it's more accurate to rate her as 2-C with the ETSO rather than dismissing it as an unquantifiable feat.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
this isnt aimed at anyone specifically but given its a topic thats brought up a lot over the years

i want you guys to know that even if the ETSB was 2-C, yall realize it wouldnt scale to anyone meaningfully for the same reason the ETSB doesnt right now, and all the boruto characters would be as they are.

getting the ETSO to 2-C and then scaling it to people individually are two entirely different metas , with each one being harder than the last. getting 2-C ETSO is a hurdle in itself but getting anyone to scale to it physically is an exponential increase in difficulty thats not only hampered by how isolated the ETSB scaling is but by the existence of significantly more internally consistent physical scaling post kaguya era metas.

This isnt meant to be an inherent dismisal of these kinds of metas, ive gone on record of saying that calling kaguya's dimension a universe isnt some outlandish interpretation but i think its important to make the distinction between what you think makes sense verus working within a system that has defined standards in how they handle things.

This is why a lot of newcomers end up getting butt hurt when their threads get significant push back, they end up coming here acting as if they discovered a new science that nobody else understands without doing the meaningful research to understand how we handle specific things, they want to have the satisfication of the wiki's rating without understanding how the wiki works. most outside forums are not beholden to any specific standard other than your own, this isnt applicable to the wiki.

so whenever you want to make a future CRT, keep that in mind. instead of trying fit a a square peg into a round hole, use the wiki's standards to strengthen your point and youll end up having a far better time creating CRT's
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Hi Shadow, my CRT has been accepted! Could you assist me in closing it? Also, I need the Kaguya account to be opened so I can make the necessary updates. Thank you for your help!

vsbattles.com

Revising the Kaguya ETSO note for Accuracy and Updating.

Note- This is not an argument for Kaguya to scale to ETSB but to change the reason behind her not scaling. Do not derail. Can we remove this note as it is outdated and inconsistent? “The attempts to make Kaguya scale to her Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball (ETSB) were rejected many times before...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Also good news fellas!
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
Or bad news depending on your opinion of me I guess 💀
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UchihaSlayer96 said:
C'mon I'm not that bad 😭
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I mean, I genuinely don't know, I'm just joking around.

I'm only suddenly active on Boruto side of the wiki because my super simple GoH thread is taking a wholeass month to get approved despite being the most direct, easy to understand, obvious stuff ever, and it's completely halting any progression I can make with the verse 🫠
 
DavidTPPM said:
I mean, I genuinely don't know, I'm just joking around.

I'm only suddenly active on Boruto side of the wiki because my super simple GoH thread is taking a wholeass month to get approved despite being the most direct, easy to understand, obvious stuff ever, and it's completely halting any progression I can make with the verse 🫠
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Send it over, I'll give it a peep when I can.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
C'mon I'm not that bad 😭
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You're right...you're worse

I can already see it

Naruto: City Block level ( At least superior to his part 1 self ) up to City level with Sage Mode ( Amplifies his power at least 10x ) or Kurama Chakra Mode ( Comparable to Sage Mode ) Mountain level in Bijuu Mode - up to Large Mountain level with Charged Bijuudama/Up to Country level in Sage of Six Paths Mode - higher with Kurama avatar
 
AnimesFreak2 said:
You're right...you're worse

I can already see it

Naruto: City Block level ( At least superior to his part 1 self ) up to City level with Sage Mode ( Amplifies his power at least 10x ) or Kurama Chakra Mode ( Comparable to Sage Mode ) Mountain level in Bijuu Mode - up to Large Mountain level with Charged Bijuudama/Up to Country level in Sage of Six Paths Mode - higher with Kurama avatar
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IMade moment of all time.
 
Nierre said:
crazy you think slayer would actually give SM a multiplier
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Obviously SM + KN0 = 30X Multiplier
KN0 = 3X Multiplier via Kakashi's Statement
SM = 10X Multiplier via Extrapolation from Curse Mark, SM Jiraiya's Jutsu, Manga Statement

And so:
KNO + SM < Six Tails < KCM < KCM + SM < SPSM < KCM + SPSM

Brought to you by Comicvine
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Shadowbokunohero said:
this isnt aimed at anyone specifically but given its a topic thats brought up a lot over the years

i want you guys to know that even if the ETSB was 2-C, yall realize it wouldnt scale to anyone meaningfully for the same reason the ETSB doesnt right now, and all the boruto characters would be as they are.

getting the ETSO to 2-C and then scaling it to people individually are two entirely different metas , with each one being harder than the last. getting 2-C ETSO is a hurdle in itself but getting anyone to scale to it physically is an exponential increase in difficulty thats not only hampered by how isolated the ETSB scaling is but by the existence of significantly more internally consistent physical scaling post kaguya era metas.

This isnt meant to be an inherent dismisal of these kinds of metas, ive gone on record of saying that calling kaguya's dimension a universe isnt some outlandish interpretation but i think its important to make the distinction between what you think makes sense verus working within a system that has defined standards in how they handle things.

This is why a lot of newcomers end up getting butt hurt when their threads get significant push back, they end up coming here acting as if they discovered a new science that nobody else understands without doing the meaningful research to understand how we handle specific things, they want to have the satisfication of the wiki's rating without understanding how the wiki works. most outside forums are not beholden to any specific standard other than your own, this isnt applicable to the wiki.

so whenever you want to make a future CRT, keep that in mind. instead of trying fit a a square peg into a round hole, use the wiki's standards to strengthen your point and youll end up having a far better time creating CRT's
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Due to Samlex's CRT being approved I don't think the no-one-scales-to-it is an issue anymore outside it being a no-UES issue
If by some miracle it does come back it would be reasonable to get her to Tier 3 at least
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Speaking of the ETSO, we don’t scale it to Kaguya because it was created with the SA Chakra instead of her own, right?

This is faulty imo because it ignores a valuable piece of information. When Kaguya was FIRST reborn via BZ absorbing IT Chakra, it was stated that he was absorbing Chakra from “Those trapped in IT”. Unlike the Databook statement of Chakra being absorbed solely from Shinobi trapped in IT, this was a statement of Generality, meaning it can be taken as meaning she absorbed some Chakra from everyone in the world.

If the ETSO is created using Chakra from JUST Shinobi, then Resurrected Kaguya is stronger than the ETSO by virtue of having Absorbed Chakra from the World vs just Shinobi.

The only arguments against this is if you think the remaining Shinobi not killed are collectively > The Entire World Collectively (Which is false, especially because they are included) or you somehow try to twist the generality statement as meaning the Shinobi and no one else for which there is no statement or context supporting that.

World IT Chakra (Incl. Shinobi) > Shinobi IT Chakra = ETSO
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Also did they not make entire Zetsus out of the first IT? which means all their chakra was stripped off while shinobi's lost nearly nothing other than temporary stamina as they were opened up and were allowed to be as strong as before
 
Stryker861 said:
Whats your guys craziets takes yall used to have around naruto scaling.
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I once read on Comicvine, may any diety bless those fellows for their enthusiasm since I remember it to this day, that since the Chakra that Kurama gave Kakashi's improved his Kamui by a factor of 3, then V1 One Tail to Three Tails Kurama Cloaks were at least 3X Multipliers as well since their visually larger amounts.

And also that Naruto was aware of the forms he accessed (SM, Six Tails, Accidental SM+Kurama Chakra) during the Pain Fight, and stated that KCM was stronger. That means KCM is at least a 30X Multiplier to Base Naruto, with SM being a 10X Multiplier

Which lead them to the conclusion that SM+KCM is a 300X Multiplier to Base Naruto. SPSM scales above that, and SPSM with a Kurama Cloak is a 9,000X Multiplier to Base Naruto
 
OneBleachHurricane said:
I once read on Comicvine, may any diety bless those fellows for their enthusiasm since I remember it to this day, that since the Chakra that Kurama gave Kakashi's improved his Kamui by a factor of 3, then V1 One Tail to Three Tails Kurama Cloaks were at least 3X Multipliers as well since their visually larger amounts.

And also that Naruto was aware of the forms he accessed (SM, Six Tails, Accidental SM+Kurama Chakra) during the Pain Fight, and stated that KCM was stronger. That means KCM is at least a 30X Multiplier to Base Naruto, with SM being a 10X Multiplier

Which lead them to the conclusion that SM+KCM is a 300X Multiplier to Base Naruto. SPSM scales above that, and SPSM with a Kurama Cloak is a 9,000X Multiplier to Base Naruto
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😭
 
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