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These are professionals that have been working on translations for years you cannot discredit human translation over machine translation
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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also can you pls gimme the source where u got the rawsUh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.
And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)
There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more
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I know it is 2C but it is hard to prove
it's easily ranging bare minnimum from 3A to H4A hence me bringing that up
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All to get one shotted by the power of a planet
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2-C earth
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4A Konoha2-C earth
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Can someone explain how the characters got to FTL+? If the characters are FTL+ then just wait for the Prime Hiruzen FTL+ CRT 
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WDYM you know it is 2c but hard to prove? So how do you know it is 2c? By faith?
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Well, you would have to prove that Kaguya was going to destroy her entire space-time rather than just the space. Thus, for some people, it might be more difficult to prove.
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we convinced the mods to accept exponential statements to be treated as a 10x increase /sCan someone explain how the characters got to FTL+? If the characters are FTL+ then just wait for the Prime Hiruzen FTL+ CRT
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its kinda pretty blatant yk
not that hard to see why people would attempt to scale it to 2C
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What is your rebuttal to Arc’s claim that the Kanji translate to just space and it can't be a Time-space destruction?
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There is a whole thread a real translator made refuting this particular claim, long story short, narrowing down to dictionary definitions does not allow for proper translation to english due to different words being interchangeable with each other depending on their context, this is the reason why the VIZ translators picked time space when publishing the english version of manga as it is more accurate than gooning the word space off of google translate
so it is in fact space time destruction in the end
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Y'all do realize that even if it were time-space destruction/creation it still wouldn't be Low 2-C/2-C, right?
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Hmm. How so? Please enlighten me
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What are exponential expressions?
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Read our standards for these tiers and you'll understand. Those pages do a better job of explaining it than I ever could with the limited time I have ATM.
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I know that BUT is your reasoning for that claim made from the requirement of universal size? because that can be backed too (with solid stuff, none of that parallel dimension nonsense)
I'm messing around with you, no such thing happened
Kido got 1000x faster than sai tier shinobi
and boruto era god tiers massively scale above sakura who could fight with him
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If a value is very close to a higher level (1.25* difference is acceptable iirc?) then a character who massively outscales that value can be upscaled to baseline next tier.Can someone explain how the characters got to FTL+? If the characters are FTL+ then just wait for the Prime Hiruzen FTL+ CRT
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Well, if you can, that would definitely change things. But given my own experience and knowledge, I doubt that you can.
This is not a knock on you personally. You seem like a smart guy. It's just that I genuinely don't believe that the information we have at the moment is enough to back up Kaguya's dimensions being universal in size.
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I have read it numerous times that was why I asked to explain further if there is something written elsewhere I have no idea of.
Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters or objects whose power is uncountably infinitely greater than the prior tiers. That is to say, they can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that exceed lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin. An example of this being 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope.Thus Kaguya destroying and even recreating a 4D structure parallel to Naruto universe would be indeed low 2C
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that's fair, Kishi sure don't make it easy to prove with the serious lack of star illustrations in his manga
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You would need to prove their timelines are independant and their sizes are universal and I doubt saying parallel is enough to qualify in anyone's book (but it is good supporting evidence)
for the timelines part you could make use of Isshiki and Momoshiki's dimension to try and argue since their times are frozen while konoha's time is freely moving it would mean the timelines are separate but I doubt that would work
btw, why's ETSO listed as 4C instead of 4B?
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Any spacetime continuum of notable size would inherently possess more than an infinite amount of 3D snapshots of the 3D universe within it same way a 3D cube would be composed of more than an infinite amount of 2D square snapshots. Meaning something like a portal being referred to as "spacetime" would not be enough for L2C, but an entire dimension probably would.
Of course to scale to the feat you would have to prove a character is affecting the entertainment continuum and not just a single snapshot of the world.
Now I'm not sure if the exact size of the dimension matters. Purely logically speaking, it shouldn't but the wiki says this
Of course to scale to the feat you would have to prove a character is affecting the entertainment continuum and not just a single snapshot of the world.
Now I'm not sure if the exact size of the dimension matters. Purely logically speaking, it shouldn't but the wiki says this
Which makes me unsure
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I would reply to this soon but, I slightly disagree with that notion.
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Site standards? Just read common feats section
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As far as I understand, the current interpretation for ETSO is that it slowly grows until it engulfs the dimension rather than it exploding and obliterating the dimension.
As a result its only scaled to it recreating the star inside of the dimension, not the destruction
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I think it is a useless effort, at least at this moment, to try to prove that the ETSB is 2-C, a huge effort is required, and in the end it will not change much.
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Whew. No you don't actually need a huge effort. Though right now I don't have that energy to propose anything. I will make the arguments for you.
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If characters can't travel between them physically and need something like space-time portals, then it's enough as I know.
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Oh now it makes sense
gosh kishimoto why did you need to put so many holes in the final feat the whole verse relies on
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Tbf not a lot relies on the feat since basically nobody scales to itgosh kishimoto why did you need to put so many holes in the final feat the whole verse relies on
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I don't think anyone of us are hungry for upgrades, it sure as hell seems like it might never end up on their profiles, doesn't mean one can't have discussions around it
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Tiering System FAQ
A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
vsbattles.fandom.com
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Holess?. I think Kishimoto was very clear on that feat. The reason why we have so many holes is because we are not using the real feat. He was very clear when he said Alternate dimensions/parallel dimensions, different from the Naruto universe yet parallel or similar in dimension. It is either you use the feat or you don't. I have a more extensive reply but I'm at work.Oh now it makes sense
gosh kishimoto why did you need to put so many holes in the final feat the whole verse relies on
But we don't no know the size?
Answer- yes we do it literally says parallel dimensions
But we don't know the amount of time it will take to destroy the dimension?
Answer- it is a parallel dimension
All the problem solved because we take the feat as it is.
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Yooooo
WE HAVE ENOUGH ITACHI CONTENT
DO ONE ABOUT HAGOROMO, OR HAMURA, OR ASURA AND INDRA, OR KAGUYA, OR THE BIJUU, OR LITERALLY ANY FAMOUS KAGE
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this isnt aimed at anyone specifically but given its a topic thats brought up a lot over the years
i want you guys to know that even if the ETSB was 2-C, yall realize it wouldnt scale to anyone meaningfully for the same reason the ETSB doesnt right now, and all the boruto characters would be as they are.
getting the ETSO to 2-C and then scaling it to people individually are two entirely different metas , with each one being harder than the last. getting 2-C ETSO is a hurdle in itself but getting anyone to scale to it physically is an exponential increase in difficulty thats not only hampered by how isolated the ETSB scaling is but by the existence of significantly more internally consistent physical scaling post kaguya era metas.
This isnt meant to be an inherent dismisal of these kinds of metas, ive gone on record of saying that calling kaguya's dimension a universe isnt some outlandish interpretation but i think its important to make the distinction between what you think makes sense verus working within a system that has defined standards in how they handle things.
This is why a lot of newcomers end up getting butt hurt when their threads get significant push back, they end up coming here acting as if they discovered a new science that nobody else understands without doing the meaningful research to understand how we handle specific things, they want to have the satisfication of the wiki's rating without understanding how the wiki works. most outside forums are not beholden to any specific standard other than your own, this isnt applicable to the wiki.
so whenever you want to make a future CRT, keep that in mind. instead of trying fit a a square peg into a round hole, use the wiki's standards to strengthen your point and youll end up having a far better time creating CRT's
i want you guys to know that even if the ETSB was 2-C, yall realize it wouldnt scale to anyone meaningfully for the same reason the ETSB doesnt right now, and all the boruto characters would be as they are.
getting the ETSO to 2-C and then scaling it to people individually are two entirely different metas , with each one being harder than the last. getting 2-C ETSO is a hurdle in itself but getting anyone to scale to it physically is an exponential increase in difficulty thats not only hampered by how isolated the ETSB scaling is but by the existence of significantly more internally consistent physical scaling post kaguya era metas.
This isnt meant to be an inherent dismisal of these kinds of metas, ive gone on record of saying that calling kaguya's dimension a universe isnt some outlandish interpretation but i think its important to make the distinction between what you think makes sense verus working within a system that has defined standards in how they handle things.
This is why a lot of newcomers end up getting butt hurt when their threads get significant push back, they end up coming here acting as if they discovered a new science that nobody else understands without doing the meaningful research to understand how we handle specific things, they want to have the satisfication of the wiki's rating without understanding how the wiki works. most outside forums are not beholden to any specific standard other than your own, this isnt applicable to the wiki.
so whenever you want to make a future CRT, keep that in mind. instead of trying fit a a square peg into a round hole, use the wiki's standards to strengthen your point and youll end up having a far better time creating CRT's
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