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He reacted to and teleported Madara's Balls at the exact moment they touched him
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He reacted to and teleported Madara's Balls at the exact moment they touched him
The upgrade is chaotic af rn.Are there any reasons Minato don’t have FTL reaction speed due to the recent upgrades?
Stamina..“Significantly Weakened Naruto”
Yet can swap hands with BEYOND Six Paths Characters and Kill them with his own Ninjutsu…
If losing Kurama is a Significant nerf, that means Naruto and Sasuke truly leaped beyond Kaguya SIGNIFICANTLY.
Also, this is the 2nd “Exponentially” statement in the series… are we still maintaining that verbiage is “Hyperbole”…![]()
when he still had one hand, he simultaneously attacked with gaara and kakashi but was still somehow unable to react to madara so he definitely does not fully scale. probably just timed it well since the balls came from a bit far away. Yes i know it would be virtually impossible for a sub rel character to do that but the sub rel is just coz the verse needs a speed revisionAre there any reasons Minato don’t have FTL reaction speed due to the recent upgrades?
How is orders the same as several orders? Also that statement would technically only apply to AP despite me personally being a proponent of strength and speed being proportionalケタ違い
This is the Kanji that relates to “several orders of magnitude”
ケタ違い (Keta chigai) is a Japanese expression that translates to:
- "Orders of magnitude"
- "Exponentially different"
- "On a different scale"
- "Completely different level"
- "Vastly different"
Yes, but official translations aren't perfect. There are a multitude of cases where the raws are used instead of the VIZ translationAlso, Isn’t the novel translation official?
Japanese is a context based my guy, the raws can say 1 but mean many, several orders is still a valid interpretation as judged by licensed translatorsUh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.
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And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)
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There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more
These are professionals that have been working on translations for years you cannot discredit human translation over machine translationHow is orders the same as several orders? Also that statement would technically only apply to AP despite me personally being a proponent of strength and speed being proportional
Yes, but official translations aren't perfect. There are a multitude of cases where the raws are used instead of the VIZ translation
also can you pls gimme the source where u got the rawsUh...heh heh, on the subject of FTL+ Naruto...
ドラッグにより強化された術は、一度目に見たときに比べ、速さも破壊力も数段増しているのがわかった。
She could tell that the technique, enhanced by the drug, had become much faster and more destructive compared to when she first saw it.
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And uh, even the initial orders of magnitude statement seems to actually just mean one
「―あまり洗練された姿とは言えんが、ケタ違いに強くなったことだけはわかるだろう?」
―I can't say it's a very refined form, but you can tell it has become of a different order of magnitude in strength, right? (I needed to mention the order of magnitude definition to even get this translation, automatically Chat GPT just says ridiculously stronger)
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There will be future upgrades!
Sorry for raining on ur parade even more
I know it is 2C but it is hard to provelol, I’m sorry to burst your bubble but I scale ETSO to 2c easily. I have better feats and statements to scale the verse to universal than 4A. I mean Naruto casually causing tears in space, parallel dimensions, momoshiki creates his dimension, kaguya was about to destroy and recreate hers. Momoshiki possibly causing a supernova. ( My personal scaling meta’s)
All to get one shotted by the power of a planet![]()
2-C earthUpscales the planet size then
4A Konoha2-C earth![]()
WDYM you know it is 2c but hard to prove? So how do you know it is 2c? By faith?I know it is 2C but it is hard to prove
it's easily ranging bare minnimum from 3A to H4A hence me bringing that up
Well, you would have to prove that Kaguya was going to destroy her entire space-time rather than just the space. Thus, for some people, it might be more difficult to prove.WDYM you know it is 2c but hard to prove? So how do you know it is 2c ?By faith?
we convinced the mods to accept exponential statements to be treated as a 10x increase /sCan someone explain how the characters got to FTL+? If the characters are FTL+ then just wait for the Prime Hiruzen FTL+ CRT![]()
WDYM you know it is 2c but hard to prove? So how do you know it is 2c? By faith?
called timespace
compared to genjutsu worlds that create whole altered timelines
size comparable to the main universe
What is your rebuttal to Arc’s claim that the Kanji translate to just space and it can't be a Time-space destruction?its kinda pretty blatant yk
not that hard to see why people would attempt to scale it to 2C
There is a whole thread a real translator made refuting this particular claim, long story short, narrowing down to dictionary definitions does not allow for proper translation to english due to different words being interchangeable with each other depending on their context, this is the reason why the VIZ translators picked time space when publishing the english version of manga as it is more accurate than gooning the word space off of google translateWhat is your rebuttal to Arc’s claim that the Kanji translate to just space and it can't be a Time-space destruction?
Hmm. How so? Please enlighten meY'all do realize that even if it were time-space destruction/creation it still wouldn't be Low 2-C/2-C, right?
What are exponential expressions?we convinced the mods to accept exponential statements to be treated as a 10x increase /s
Read our standards for these tiers and you'll understand. Those pages do a better job of explaining it than I ever could with the limited time I have ATM.Hmm. How so? Please enlighten me
I know that BUT is your reasoning for that claim made from the requirement of universal size? because that can be backed too (with solid stuff, none of that parallel dimension nonsense)Y'all do realize that even if it were time-space destruction/creation it still wouldn't be Low 2-C/2-C, right?
I'm messing around with you, no such thing happenedWhat are exponential expressions?
If a value is very close to a higher level (1.25* difference is acceptable iirc?) then a character who massively outscales that value can be upscaled to baseline next tier.Can someone explain how the characters got to FTL+? If the characters are FTL+ then just wait for the Prime Hiruzen FTL+ CRT![]()
Well, if you can, that would definitely change things. But given my own experience and knowledge, I doubt that you can.because that can be backed too
I have read it numerous times that was why I asked to explain further if there is something written elsewhere I have no idea of.Read our standards for these tiers and you'll understand. Those pages do a better job of explaining it than I ever could with the limited time I have ATM.
that's fair, Kishi sure don't make it easy to prove with the serious lack of star illustrations in his mangaWell, if you can, that would definitely change things. But given my own experience and knowledge, I doubt that you can.
This is not a knock on you personally. You seem like a smart guy. It's just that I genuinely don't believe that the information we have at the moment is enough to back up Kaguya's dimensions being universal in size.
You would need to prove their timelines are independant and their sizes are universal and I doubt saying parallel is enough to qualify in anyone's book (but it is good supporting evidence)I have read it numerous times that was why I asked to explain further if there is something written elsewhere I have no idea of.
Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters or objects whose power is uncountably infinitely greater than the prior tiers. That is to say, they can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that exceed lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin. An example of this being 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope.
Thus Kaguya destroying and even recreating a 4D structure parallel to Naruto universe would be indeed low 2C
Which makes me unsureAn example of this being 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope
I would reply to this soon but, I slightly disagree with that notion.You would need to prove their timelines are independant and their sizes are universal and I doubt saying parallel is enough to qualify in anyone's book (but it is good supporting evidence)
for the timelines part you could make use of Isshiki and Momoshiki's dimension to try and argue since their times are frozen while konoha's time is freely moving it would mean the timelines are separate but I doubt that would work
btw, why's ETSO listed as 4C instead of 4B?
Site standards? Just read common feats sectionbtw, why's ETSO listed as 4C instead of 4B?
As far as I understand, the current interpretation for ETSO is that it slowly grows until it engulfs the dimension rather than it exploding and obliterating the dimension.btw, why's ETSO listed as 4C instead of 4B?
Whew. No you don't actually need a huge effort. Though right now I don't have that energy to propose anything. I will make the arguments for you.I think it is a useless effort, at least at this moment, to try to prove that the ETSB is 2-C, a huge effort is required, and in the end it will not change much.