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They would’t. The only argument that “could” be made would be her other Jutsu Scaling, “if” it were to be accepted that she does scale.What are your arguments for ETSO scaling to Kaguya's physicals?
I'll answer only if/when you make the thread
Who said that? “UES” . Outside of UES there is nothing stopping her from scaling by wiki standards. I don't need to scale her to it she just does automatically.So you do scale her to it…
what about the argument of EGVF being the strongest offensive jutsu, putting it above ETSO since kaguya tried to use it to wipe out team 7?Cuz the arguments of her physicals scaling to the etso suck
Then what’s your argument for her not scaling.Who said that?
BLUD'S GATEKEEPING DEBUNKS THIS SHIT IS EVILI'll answer only if/when you make the thread
Read above. I edited the replyThen what’s your argument for her not scaling.
Arc7Kuroi wants to know why you think she should automatically scale to the ETSO?Who said that? “UES” . Outside of UES there is nothing stopping her from scaling by wiki standards. I don't need to scale her to it she just does automatically.
Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof does not fall on me. The only reason she doesn’t scale by Wiki standards right now is due to UES. If anyone wishes to challenge this, they will need to present a compelling argument.Arc7Kuroi wants to know why you think she should automatically scale to the ETSO?
No one is debating you, you can have a normal conversation with people where questions are asked and answered.Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof does not fall on me. The only reason she doesn’t scale by Wiki standards right now is due to UES. If anyone wishes to challenge this, they will need to present a compelling argument.
Powerscaling mooks can do that?you can have a normal conversation with people
Idk if samlex can, I think he might just keep acting cringe.Powerscaling mooks can do that?
Lol, is this really what you call a conversation? It feels more like an interrogation, with you trying to get me to reveal information. Also, I asked a question first, and then you responded with another question.No one is debating you, you can have a normal conversation with people where questions are asked and answered.
Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof does not fall on me. The only reason she doesn’t scale by Wiki standards right now is due to UES. If anyone wishes to challenge this, they will need to present a compelling argument.
Tell me how it worksNot how it works.
Bad news because the success of achievementsAlso good news fellas!Or bad news depending on your opinion of me I guess
But I think I'll be able to get back to churning out CRTs by next month hopefully.
Never knew ikemoto was this funny
Kaguya is such a dumbass. Why make a jutsu that takes time to be potent enough when you can just punch it at once and get it over with?
Is she slow?
Do you realize the rating is from creation not destruction? Unless something has changed EE does not have destruction value so this can't work.I've been thinking about the current etso calcs
Yall remember when Kakashi said regarding the ETSO "If this gets too big we wont be able to return to this dimension"
implying it will grow to a level that takes up so much space from that dimension they wont be able to fight her
that it is so fast it's going to fill up the whole dimension if they waste too much time in the other dimensions
If we assume like one hour time frame instead of many years (creation and destruction should have comparable timeframes and an hour would still be a lowballed value, given kakashi's implied statement of signifying the need to seal her asap)
1.1369786E+42J/3600= 3.158×10^38
the planet level rating would be changed to Brown Dwarf Star Level
not sure if im tweaking with this one tho
Japanese is a context based my guy, the raws can say 1 but mean many, several orders is still a valid interpretation as judged by licensed translators
Even if it was still several orders of magnitude for that statement, it'd only be like 6-C+ since I'm pretty sure it's scaling from Sai who's 7-B+that statement would technically only apply to AP despite me personally being a proponent of strength and speed being proportional
I'm fine if you say that for the initial statement (the second one I sent), but the second (the first I sent) which talks about his speed just doesn't have kanji relating to order of magnitude at allThese are professionals that have been working on translations for years you cannot discredit human translation over machine translation
There can never be too much Minato or Itachi content Could get stuff about Itachi's time in the AkatsukiWE HAVE ENOUGH ITACHI CONTENT
DO ONE ABOUT HAGOROMO, OR HAMURA, OR ASURA AND INDRA, OR KAGUYA, OR THE BIJUU, OR LITERALLY ANY FAMOUS KAGE
Edo Itachi>Peak EMS SasukeWhats your guys craziets takes yall used to have around naruto scaling.
Early on in my nard powerscaling I used to argue each kybui tail was at least a ten times multiplier from the last
The kanji for strongest isn't there, it says flawless/absolutely perfect which you could use to argue it's the strongest, but it's definitely not as directwhat about the argument of EGVF being the strongest offensive jutsu, putting it above ETSO since kaguya tried to use it to wipe out team 7?
oh dang, didn't know thatDo you realize the rating is from creation not destruction? Unless something has changed EE does not have destruction value so this can't work.
Kaguya is such a dumbass. Why make a jutsu that takes time to be potent enough when you can just punch it at once and get it over with?
Is she slow?
Because Jugo is apparently just giving him his chakraI'm fairly certain it is for the reasons I think but just to be sure can someone explain to me why curse mark susanoo does not have the 10x multiplier?
Sure broHonestly, it is because of the plot. Kishimoto likely designed ETSO to showcase her power in a way that enhances the plot rather than just focusing on efficiency. He needed to end it somehow while making sure Kaguya's strength was shown. same with Madara and Zetsu, killed off by the plot immediately after a power-up.
I was just curious to hear out your argument for Kaguya scaling to her ETSO. It ain’t that deep… if you don’t want to answer that’s cool, idrc like that.Lol, is this really what you call a conversation? It feels more like an interrogation, with you trying to get me to reveal information. Also, I asked a question first, and then you responded with another question.
Wow I love this, this is how we should present an argument—by staying focused and avoiding the mistake many Naruto and Boruto fans make: throwing together multiple unrelated points. For instance, bringing up Itachi’s novel statements as supporting evidence, which only derails the discussion and leads to the thread getting closed.My thing is… The “Reason” we don’t scale Kaguya to the ETSB is because it was created with the SA Chakra but this is IGNORING a few things.
The reasoning on Kaguya’s 5-B rating is that that’s the energy per second going into the ETSB and up to 4-C with ETSB overtime.
- She is clearly shown doing 3 things Simultaneously: Absorbing IT Chakra, Creating the TSB and Transforming/Reforming her body from pure Chakra (Scan 1 | Scan 2)
- Clearly not “all” of the SA chakra went to the ETSB as she still ended up exponentially stronger than before. Proving that she CAN use the power to significantly amplify herself.
- The ETSB is created using a unquantifiable lesser amount of SA chakra when it is strongly implied that she “could” absorb ALL of their Chakra, killing them, if she wanted (NOTE: Naruto’s reaction with his sensory abilities was panic that BZ was gonna drain everyone. So the chakra initially being absorbed isn’t some insignificant amount).
I think she’d need a revamp:
I think this makes infinitely more sense.
- Original Kaguya: Low 5-B (Considered stronger by Hagoromo)
- Resurrected Kaguya: At least 5-B, Likely higher w/ IT Chakra (In the process of being Resurrected, BZ was absorbing so much chakra from those trapped in IT, including the Shinobi whom a portion of their chakra created the ETSB, that Naruto with his Sensory Abilities thought they were gonna die). Stronger than before (After absorbing more IT Chakra, her stats were stated to have become exponentially greater by BZ).
- Up to 4-C (The ETSB will, overtime, recreate a Dimension w/ a Star).
1) Probably was interchangeable, they tend to add words despite the dictionary not outright saying it due to context supporting sth elseI'm fine if you say that for the initial statement (the second one I sent), but the second (the first I sent) which talks about his speed just doesn't have kanji relating to order of magnitude at all
The kanji for strongest isn't there, it says flawless/absolutely perfect which you could use to argue it's the strongest, but it's definitely not as direct
拳は攻撃にはもちろんのこと防御にも使用できるため、カグヤの瞳術と相まって完全無欠、攻防一体の陣を築くことが可能だ。
The fists can be used not only for attacks but also for defense, allowing Kaguya to form a flawless, impregnable stance that integrates both offense and defense, especially when combined with her dōjutsu.
(also if you're gonna mention humans>machines again, this isn't even a machine, it's just a dictionary)
By the way just so you know. The reason has been updated. It is now UESMy thing is… The “Reason” we don’t scale Kaguya to the ETSB is because it was created with the SA Chakra but this is IGNORING a few things.
The reasoning on Kaguya’s 5-B rating is that that’s the energy per second going into the ETSB and up to 4-C with ETSB overtime.
- She is clearly shown doing 3 things Simultaneously: Absorbing IT Chakra, Creating the TSB and Transforming/Reforming her body from pure Chakra (Scan 1 | Scan 2)
- Clearly not “all” of the SA chakra went to the ETSB as she still ended up exponentially stronger than before. Proving that she CAN use the power to significantly amplify herself.
- The ETSB is created using a unquantifiable lesser amount of SA chakra when it is strongly implied that she “could” absorb ALL of their Chakra, killing them, if she wanted (NOTE: Naruto’s reaction with his sensory abilities was panic that BZ was gonna drain everyone. So the chakra initially being absorbed isn’t some insignificant amount).
I think she’d need a revamp:
I think this makes infinitely more sense.
- Original Kaguya: Low 5-B (Considered stronger by Hagoromo)
- Resurrected Kaguya: At least 5-B, Likely higher w/ IT Chakra (In the process of being Resurrected, BZ was absorbing so much chakra from those trapped in IT, including the Shinobi whom a portion of their chakra created the ETSB, that Naruto with his Sensory Abilities thought they were gonna die). Stronger than before (After absorbing more IT Chakra, her stats were stated to have become exponentially greater by BZ).
- Up to 4-C (The ETSB will, overtime, recreate a Dimension w/ a Star).
Yeah, her physicals wouldn’t scale.By the way just so you know. The reason has been updated. It is now UES
Does this give her 5B AP in jutsus?Yeah, her physicals wouldn’t scale.
Imo, it should but I won’t make that argument yet. I’d have to see how the other notable members in the thread react to it and give their thoughts, if any.Does this give her 5B AP in jutsus?
or can we goon using statements of saying momo and kin who should dwarf her power level would have equivalent ap (and since boruto era interactions got them throwing back punches that gets the durability and striking strength given the same rating)
We can easily scale her durability and AP to it without Momo or kin. Momo and Kinshiki only scale when you get ETSO = Kaguya physicals. Read Neo’s argument and build on it.Does this give her 5B AP in jutsus?
or can we goon using statements of saying momo and kin who should dwarf her power level would have equivalent ap (and since boruto era interactions got them throwing back punches that gets the durability and striking strength given the same rating)
Fine by meAll of this to get hard capped by Uzuhiko's existence ~10x 5-B >>> Hidari >>> Code >>> Jigen >>> Naruto and Sasuke > Fused Momo > Momo >~ Kaguya