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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Ghostimuscrime said:
I just had an idea,
Compared to Jigen's shrinking this felt instantaneous, so much so the writers wrote down words that straight up translate to 10x
Could this be used to say

Isshiki's Jutsu Speed is 10x Faster than Jigen's Jutsu Speed

Naruto dodges Isshiki's Jutsu and goes back to pluck it up to strike down the other rods

Isshiki who should be able to perceive his own jutsu's speed fails to perceive Naruto

Naruto's Supermassive Rasengan was so fast Isshiki was unable to shrink it in time and as a result got blasted away from it

So naruto's speed in BM should be 10x Jigen's speed


what do you guys think?
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I am actually curious about this. Can the translators verify this?
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I am actually curious about this. Can the translators verify this?
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I haven't gotten around to do that but the ai answer was confirming my proposal and the definition on Jisho says order of magnitude or by a digit as the primary meaning and ik that is not the ideal solution so I'll ask a friend who's got n1 certifications to confirm this

Do you agree with the other points?
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Naw I’m not entirely discrediting him pulling it either, I think it’s a fine highball for the feat. But we do quantify the feat assuming it abides by irl physics (KE = 1/2 mv^2) so I find it slightly misleading when we pick and choose which physics we abide by and which physics we dismiss. If it doesn’t abide by irl physics, who’s to say we can quantify it using normal KE?
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i understand your point. Balancing real-world physics with supernatural elements in a fictional world like the Naruto universe is tough. We use (KE = 1/2 mv^2) for estimates, but we also need to remember that some jutsu might not follow these rules. While ignoring real-world physics would make it hard to measure feats, we apply it where it makes sense and recognize its limitations in other contexts. (This is just my interpretation, and I'm fine with whether or not it's accepted widely).
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
I haven't gotten around to do that but the ai answer was confirming my proposal and the definition on Jisho says order of magnitude or by a digit as the primary meaning and ik that is not the ideal solution so I'll ask a friend who's got n1 certifications to confirm this

Do you agree with the other points?
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The logic seems sound at the moment. But I am also not at home rn. I'd have to think about it more when I get back to my PC.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Was this statement used for upgrades before?

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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"

~ Boruto NNG #48

Supported by this and ChatGPT
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Likely not literal
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MinatoSparkle said:
Likely not literal
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as your scan says "it literally refers to a digit" hence it should be taken in a literal sense
plus i dont think there's other phrases to say order of magnitude since if i try translating that to JP we find the same phrase found in koji's statement
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and I know I shouldn't be talking about what the words mean as though I'm proficient but based on available resources this seems clearly to be a multiplicative statement
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
The Primary definitions are an order of magnitude tho?

if I'm not wrong, Bleach has a similar statement with cero oscuras that say the same thing you see on Jisho and the wiki accepts that as a 10x increase
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translation and interpretation:

解放状態にある十が使える (kaihō jōtai ni aru tō ga tsukaeru) means "can be used by Ten in a released state.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
The Primary definitions are an order of magnitude tho?

if I'm not wrong, Bleach has a similar statement with cero oscuras that say the same thing you see on Jisho and the wiki accepts that as a 10x increase
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Considering many definitions are just about it being a huge increase and Chat GPT says it's meant to be metaphorical, I'd say it's questionable at best
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Not really providing incorrect information is worse than no info at all
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I don't think it is incorrect by default, if that phrase is the first thing that it shows when I demand a OOM statement then it means my initial premise is likely correct and I've supported this with an AI answer as well which should be able to put words together in a near accurate manner
 
Machine learning isn’t AI 😔 agree to disagree tho, I don’t have much skin in the Isshiki = 10x Jigen debate anyway
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Considering many definitions are just about it being a huge increase and Chat GPT says it's meant to be metaphorical, I'd say it's questionable at best
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Connotations exist, we use numeric phrases in non numeric contexts to imply a great change but that doesnt mean the word inherently cant mean a numeric answer,
X is infinitely stronger than Y can be just a vague superiority that's why the latter definitions list unimaginable because they can mean hyperbolic buffs

So in the absence of counter evidence the literal definition (off by a digit) should be taken

When trying to find JP counterparts for another level or unparalleled the same phrases don't show up so I think it should be treated as 10x (and again the same varying definitions show up for the ceros)
 
I didn’t contest the 10x translation. I contested it being in terms of Isshiki’s power contextually 😭 I just poked fun at you for using a translator that is notorious among Japanese language professors for being ass (at least according to my Japanese professor)
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I didn’t contest the 10x translation. I contested it being in terms of Isshiki’s power contextually 😭 I just poked fun at you for using a translator that is notorious among Japanese language professors for being ass (at least according to my Japanese professor)
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that's fine, I dropped the argument of it being AP based a while ago, IK machine translators suck I just used it in the absence of a human translator.
 
Even if we consider it a 10x speed amp. It would be a 10x amp on weakened Jigen right? Since that's the version KK fought. The statement is vague enough that it could be regular Jigen too, but low end would be 10x 10% Jigen.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Even if we consider it a 10x speed amp. It would be a 10x amp on weakened Jigen right? Since that's the version KK fought. The statement is vague enough that it could be regular Jigen too, but low end would be 10x 10% Jigen.
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Yeah, and that would just make Isshiki's shrinking speed relative to FP Jigen's, which does make sense. It is a low-end interpretation, though, I'll grant that.
 
Now that the Konoha thread is over, it's time to cook up the big planet Naruto. Honestly, I didn't want this thread to get approved, but it did in the end, so that's it.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Even if we consider it a 10x speed amp. It would be a 10x amp on weakened Jigen right? Since that's the version KK fought. The statement is vague enough that it could be regular Jigen too, but low end would be 10x 10% Jigen.
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I mean bald ass markless base jigen already is scaled to base boruto era naruto which is ftl
 
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