HelloThere1089
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He could lead with it. N&S didn't even figure his ability out atp. Jigen literally wouldn't have had to fight anybody at all iirc.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
Godernet
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I mean they weren't threats to him at all until Nard used something Isshiki didn't know existed, and at that point, the Sealing wasn't going to catch BM Naruto.
I mean there was no guarantee Kawaki was in a place he would be able to find.
Also, we saw in the Pain Arc that the Leaf peeps would sooner all die and let the village get destroyed than sell out a Konoha resident, let alone the Hokage's adopted son.
what Arc said pm, he was also pretty confident in winning w/o it and still sealed Naruto when he wanted to.
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This is my opinion but I believe jigen can also do the same
HelloThere1089
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This is what I mean by dumb.
Torturing N&S would have never gotten him to Kawaki. Sensing Naruto's chakra in Kawaki was sheer luck on his part. He didn't plan for it.
Same goes for the Hokage and Sasuke.
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Against Naruto he just wanted to send him to another dimension and leave him there while he put the karma on Kawaki, he just didn't count on Sasuke being there, and after that he wanted to test the two in a fight, so much so that after the battle he tells Amado that he joked too much.
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I mean, we don't exactly know the requirements and details of the dimension. Maybe it takes a lot more chakra to access than regular dimensions. Maybe it takes a longer time leaving the user vulnerable.
HelloThere1089
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We have never been shown this to be true. Kawaki tried it on Boruto and then proceeded to fight him again. Even if we say it requires more chakra, if he leads with it, he wouldn't need to worry about fighting anymore. He can also use it while shrunken iirc.
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You were also never shown that I have a butthole but you don't think I can live without ******** right?
And he failed to use it on Boruto which kinda supports that it might take longer. Also Kawaki is a LOT more compatible with Isshikis abilities so just because Kawaki can access dimension easily doesn't mean Jigen can.
After all, Kawaki straight up has the kokugan while Jigen didn't.
Not as far as I remember but even then, that would just mean the portal would probably take longer to engulf Naruto
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W argument
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Rinnegan.
HelloThere1089
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Because Boruto could absorb it. Something Naruto can't do.
But Jigen can.
But Jigen can.
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Thinking about all this conversation, Kawaki and Isshiki should have resistance to time stopping in their profiles, Kawaki could move in the daikokuten, he could also see Momo in the stopped time after he recovered his Otsutsuki powers.
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She doesn’t scale to Sasuke’s feats at all
HelloThere1089
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What? Scan?
Godernet
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I mean, you're surrounded by fodder, and the two strongest of the fodder who are also the most important people in the village, who you've already beaten before, and are likely the only people around who know where Kawaki is, so you take them somewhere and beat them until they tell you where he is because you pm have no other choice.
ofc not, he didn't really have an in-depth plan, but it was the only thing he had, bro was desperate.
but they were his best option, the only people important enough to know where he was.
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Sasuke can also perceive even without the rinnegan.
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The Resistance to TS Sasuke showed isn’t specific. It’s literally attributed to just having the Rinnegan.
HelloThere1089
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Cool. What about sealing one of them and interrogating the other? Even better sealing anybody ever on screen? What about sealing them for now, try rampaging the village, and then release them if that doesn't work? Why risk fighting when you have 1 day to live?
I agree.
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profiles need some work but yeah they should. Hag who has it scales from them and sasuke
HelloThere1089
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Did he really stop time when Kawaki sensed Momoshiki?
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Think about the fact that rinnengan abilties are specific to their orignal owner and no one else. The only shared thing is the six path of pain abilities. And it makes perfect sense for sasuke since his abilities are space time related
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Not really sure about that part but kawaki has his own feats of moving in the timeless dimension
HelloThere1089
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But Kawaki moving in the time dimension is more likely a privilege for Kawaki being the owner of the dimension, rather than him just being able to move in any stopped time.
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Is Madara's Limbo and Summon Big Rocks?
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Well, yes, Sasuke says he was feeling the same thing he felt when he first saw Momo after death, the "smoke" was also appearing, which indicates that time was stopped, I don't remember any time Momo appeared without stopping time.
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HelloThere1089
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Madara's rinnegan ability is to have massive balls that he can drop at anyone's face:
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And after acquiring Hashirama Cells he now has the Wood to go with themMadara's rinnegan ability is to have massive balls that he can drop at anyone's face:
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I present to you kaguya who was affected by the gravity in her dimension even while being the owner. It just goes to show that laws are laws. Plus kawaki eye was not even active when he was inside
madara limbo is only for him and summon big rocks as i said is for everyone as it is one of the general abilities
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It’s not an Jutsu though. You would have a point if it were Jutsu of Sasuke’s (Which is the Comp you’re trying to make with other Rinnegan Jutsu), but that’s not the case.
His resistance is inherent via having a Rinnegan. It was never the byproduct of a Special Jutsu unique to his Rinnegan, ala Limbo for Madara, etc.
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That's actually a pretty good point. I forgor about that.
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I was more so asking about Heaven Concealed rather than Planetary Devastation
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I'm not sure about the Summon part, I think it is a better application of the deva path universal pull.
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huh? you do realize seeing when time is stopped is an ability i.e a jutsu right? the resistance is just a byproduct
you mean the stuff he pulls from the atmosphere or whatever? yeah that's probably general since edo rinnengan can only do the basic abilities. Just that pain could never have the chakra to pull such off
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How do you reconcile it not being ablated? For if it was pulled from space it would be lit ablaze upon entering the atmosphere.
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Arc out here making me google what "ablated" means
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Like literally, the closest comp we have is the ability to “See” Madara’s Limbo’s in their Dimension. It wasn’t just specific to his Rinnegan eyes. It’s an inherent quality for the Rinnegan in-general.
Sasuke’s Statement.
Madara’s Statement.
Sasuke’s Statement.
Madara’s Statement.
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Obviously it's just Ablazed but with a T instead of a Z ~ Trust Me
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That is not the case at all. By all means, prove it is a jutsu. Was the ability to see Limbo a “Jutsu” too? This is an irritating argument because it’s draws a false equivalence to ACTUAL Rinnegan Jutsu (Six Paths Jutsu, Limbo, Ameno, etc etc).
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Tengai Shinsei is called the power of the sage of the six paths, so I think it is a basic ability of the Rinnegan, it must be done through one of the paths.
