• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Ghostimuscrime said:
Was this statement used for upgrades before?

https://media.**********.net/attachments/1145761205022109816/1280194149454319636/IMG_8987.jpg?ex=66d73136&is=66d5dfb6&hm=b4c2472f07b1e2c0e9ec139c5a97b9e8a2a703ce77ba1ebfa01686f7fa989ee7&=&format=webp&width=2160&height=453

"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"

~ Boruto NNG #48

Supported by this and ChatGPT
Click to expand...
Likely not literal
main-qimg-5adddc6f3ee6c483db4dec3ed95e143a
main-qimg-d793c2ac77bcef0a64c3b0a1caff3040
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Likely not literal
main-qimg-5adddc6f3ee6c483db4dec3ed95e143a
main-qimg-d793c2ac77bcef0a64c3b0a1caff3040
Click to expand...
as your scan says "it literally refers to a digit" hence it should be taken in a literal sense
plus i dont think there's other phrases to say order of magnitude since if i try translating that to JP we find the same phrase found in koji's statementhttps://media.**********.net/attachments/1130799805858324500/1280228589647691901/image.png?ex=66d75149&is=66d5ffc9&hm=a78e3953b04184f7c458d97189d90ce47e3c5d0eb6bad495a345e99767b575da&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2160&height=910

and I know I shouldn't be talking about what the words mean as though I'm proficient but based on available resources this seems clearly to be a multiplicative statement
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
The Primary definitions are an order of magnitude tho?

if I'm not wrong, Bleach has a similar statement with cero oscuras that say the same thing you see on Jisho and the wiki accepts that as a 10x increase
Click to expand...
translation and interpretation:

解放状態にある十が使える (kaihō jōtai ni aru tō ga tsukaeru) means "can be used by Ten in a released state.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
The Primary definitions are an order of magnitude tho?

if I'm not wrong, Bleach has a similar statement with cero oscuras that say the same thing you see on Jisho and the wiki accepts that as a 10x increase
Click to expand...
Considering many definitions are just about it being a huge increase and Chat GPT says it's meant to be metaphorical, I'd say it's questionable at best
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Not really providing incorrect information is worse than no info at all
Click to expand...
I don't think it is incorrect by default, if that phrase is the first thing that it shows when I demand a OOM statement then it means my initial premise is likely correct and I've supported this with an AI answer as well which should be able to put words together in a near accurate manner
 
Machine learning isn’t AI 😔 agree to disagree tho, I don’t have much skin in the Isshiki = 10x Jigen debate anyway
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Considering many definitions are just about it being a huge increase and Chat GPT says it's meant to be metaphorical, I'd say it's questionable at best
Click to expand...
Connotations exist, we use numeric phrases in non numeric contexts to imply a great change but that doesnt mean the word inherently cant mean a numeric answer,
X is infinitely stronger than Y can be just a vague superiority that's why the latter definitions list unimaginable because they can mean hyperbolic buffs

So in the absence of counter evidence the literal definition (off by a digit) should be taken

When trying to find JP counterparts for another level or unparalleled the same phrases don't show up so I think it should be treated as 10x (and again the same varying definitions show up for the ceros)
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Cero Oscuras is a 10x AP amp cuz it’s stated to be 10x stronger than a normal Cero. Wholly irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Click to expand...
Brother both of them say Keta Chigai no

if we accept 10x for Ulquiorra
we gotta accept 10x for Isshiki 😭


https://media.**********.net/attachments/1145761205022109816/1280241037033345084/image.png?ex=66d75ce0&is=66d60b60&hm=4f4a64fb1177bf80a7f04a016a34de5ab6c391d4c52c7a1c6fa5e166a5c6ec8b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2160&height=501
 
I didn’t contest the 10x translation. I contested it being in terms of Isshiki’s power contextually 😭 I just poked fun at you for using a translator that is notorious among Japanese language professors for being ass (at least according to my Japanese professor)
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
I didn’t contest the 10x translation. I contested it being in terms of Isshiki’s power contextually 😭 I just poked fun at you for using a translator that is notorious among Japanese language professors for being ass (at least according to my Japanese professor)
Click to expand...
that's fine, I dropped the argument of it being AP based a while ago, IK machine translators suck I just used it in the absence of a human translator.
 
Even if we consider it a 10x speed amp. It would be a 10x amp on weakened Jigen right? Since that's the version KK fought. The statement is vague enough that it could be regular Jigen too, but low end would be 10x 10% Jigen.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Even if we consider it a 10x speed amp. It would be a 10x amp on weakened Jigen right? Since that's the version KK fought. The statement is vague enough that it could be regular Jigen too, but low end would be 10x 10% Jigen.
Click to expand...
Yeah, and that would just make Isshiki's shrinking speed relative to FP Jigen's, which does make sense. It is a low-end interpretation, though, I'll grant that.
 
Now that the Konoha thread is over, it's time to cook up the big planet Naruto. Honestly, I didn't want this thread to get approved, but it did in the end, so that's it.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Even if we consider it a 10x speed amp. It would be a 10x amp on weakened Jigen right? Since that's the version KK fought. The statement is vague enough that it could be regular Jigen too, but low end would be 10x 10% Jigen.
Click to expand...
I mean bald ass markless base jigen already is scaled to base boruto era naruto which is ftl
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Is bald ass markless base jigen stated to be < Karma Jigen at 10%?
Click to expand...
Idk probably need to dive back to the kawaki arc , does 10% even mean anything other than stamina

Also the statement we use to get Jigen above MAS is by Koji which should mean Koji is aware of a Full Powered Jigen being superior to naruto and sasuke together
So that should remove the idea that it's only about 10% jigen
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Idk probably need to dive back to the kawaki arc , does 10% even mean anything other than stamina

Also the statement we use to get Jigen above MAS is by Koji which should mean Koji is aware of a Full Powered Jigen being superior to naruto and sasuke together
So that should remove the idea that it's only about 10% jigen
Click to expand...
I am not saying that KK is comparing Isshiki to 10% Jigen. I am saying at the bare minimum it would be that. You can very well make arguments for a solid "Isshiki is 10x 100% Jigen" scaling chain.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Connotations exist, we use numeric phrases in non numeric contexts to imply a great change but that doesnt mean the word inherently cant mean a numeric answer,
X is infinitely stronger than Y can be just a vague superiority that's why the latter definitions list unimaginable because they can mean hyperbolic buffs
Click to expand...
Fair enough on this point
Ghostimuscrime said:
So in the absence of counter evidence the literal definition (off by a digit) should be taken

When trying to find JP counterparts for another level or unparalleled the same phrases don't show up so I think it should be treated as 10x (and again the same varying definitions show up for the ceros)
Click to expand...
But Chat GPT is literally saying that the main meaning is metaphorical. To give an analogy of my own, saying something is done at lightning speed could be literal, but the general usage is metaphorical. I don't particularly have an issue with Isshiki being 10x above Jigen, I just don't think a strong basis can be made from one statement with multiple interpretations
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Fair enough on this point

But Chat GPT is literally saying that the main meaning is metaphorical. To give an analogy of my own, saying something is done at lightning speed could be literal, but the general usage is metaphorical. I don't particularly have an issue with Isshiki being 10x above Jigen, I just don't think a strong basis can be made from one statement with multiple interpretations
Click to expand...
The definition straight up says digit difference

Is it used in non literal contexts? yes, but it is not limited to that, especially if this was sufficient to qualify for 10x claims on this wiki before

If it is a straight up definition I dont think scrutiny is warranted
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Xdsagecat
It's the Ōtsutsuki clan crt. Come inside, it's fun inside!
2
Replies
67
Views
4K
Xdsagecat
Xdsagecat
Foriaa
  • Locked
Minor Boruto Revisons | Part 3
Replies
23
Views
948
Random-Helper323
Random-Helper323
YungManzi
Reinhard van Astrea Vs. Sasuke Uchiha
5 6 7
Replies
271
Views
12K
AlternativePrinciple
AlternativePrinciple
Celest_Void
  • Locked
Isshiki should not be 4-B
Replies
38
Views
3K
Damage3245
Damage3245
Naruto-Boruto verse 250+ Strongest Characters within the Franchise {Including Movies, Filters, Ova’s, Games, Light Novels and Specials}
Replies
9
Views
3K
Louise1959
Back
Top