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More or less yeah. That’s why I mentioned ablazed lol in case people didn’t know what ablating was.Obviously it's just Ablazed but with a T instead of a Z ~ Trust Me
It does not have to be named to be a jutsu come on. Yes, seeing limbo is an ability. It's why we index it as such. But let me go further. Madara could not absorb amaterasu when he lost his rinnengan but sasuke could still feel and sense momo exactly as when he had his rinnengan. That's further indication that it is specific to himThat is not the case at all. By all means, prove it is a jutsu. Was the ability to see Limbo a “Jutsu” too? This is an irritating argument because it’s draws a false equivalence to ACTUAL Rinnegan Jutsu (Six Paths Jutsu, Limbo, Ameno, etc etc).
Sasuke could feel time stopped, even after losing the Rinnegan, he seems to have some degree of resistance, but to see through time stopped he could only do so with the Rinnegan.Like literally, the closest comp we have is the ability to “See” Madara’s Limbo’s in their Dimension. It wasn’t just specific to his Rinnegan eyes. It’s an inherent quality for the Rinnegan in-general.
Sasuke’s Statement.
Madara’s Statement.
arc and deceived regularly update my vocabularyArc out here making me google what "ablated" means
I’m not surprised as he’s had the Rinnegan for Decades by that point. Possible risidual effect? Perhaps, but either way, the Rinnegan still is inherent in that ability to see through TS.Sasuke could feel time stopped, even after losing the Rinnegan, he seems to have some degree of resistance, but to see through time stopped he could only do so with the Rinnegan.
It’s not jutsu, period. For example, the Sharingan’s Pre-Cog or ability to see Chakra are not “Jutsu”. They are inherent qualities of the Sharingan. “Jutsu” in this case, would be Koto, Tsuki, Susanoo, Kamui, etc.It does not have to be named to be a jutsu come on.
Except we literally see him do just that as well as Absorb Nine-Tails Chakra. You point is invalid.Yes, seeing limbo is an ability. It's why we index it as such. But let me go further. Madara could not absorb amaterasu when he lost his rinnengan.
Via Madara’s example, we know doujutsu abilities are not erased from the user’s catalog of abilities, just diminished. He had no Rinnegan but was still SHOWN using a diminished version of Preta. You literally have no standing here and I suggest you reread those parts of the war arc before continuing.but sasuke could still feel and sense momo exactly as when he had his rinnengan.
Wrong. Read above.That's further indication that it is specific to him
Ngl that kinda just seems like a hyperbole of sorts at first glance.Was this statement used for upgrades before?
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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"
~ Boruto NNG #48
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He’s talking about Isshiki’s Doujutsu being 10x better than when Jigen used it. That has nothing to do with a stat amp.Was this statement used for upgrades before?
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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"
~ Boruto NNG #48
Supported by this
Everyone when Arc and Deceived use big words and looking them uparc and deceived regularly update my vocabulary
Yeah but they mention 'power' of Jigen which makes me question if it shouldn't be discardedHe’s talking about Isshiki’s Doujutsu being 10x better than when Jigen used it. That has nothing to do with a stat amp.
it's absolutely not a hyperbole, I can get thinking it's regarding the dojutsu but given Kishimoto's portrayal of power difference being highlighted it doesnt seem like hyperbole or flowery language, it straight up says he's a digit above jigenNgl that kinda just seems like a hyperbole of sorts at first glance.
Power definitional refers to the capability to do something. “The American people hold the power to vote.” Being an example in which it doesn’t refer to raw AP. Another wiki pertinent example being our “Power & Ability Sections”, as in using power synonymously with abilities. So, when Koji talks about “Isshiki’s power is 10x better”, Isshiki’s power here is his Doujutsu abilities, as evident by the context.Yeah but they mention 'power' of Jigen which makes me question if it shouldn't be discarded
It’s not jutsu, period. For example, the Sharingan’s Pre-Cog or ability to see Chakra are not “Jutsu”. They are inherent qualities of the Sharingan. “Jutsu” in this case, would be Koto, Tsuki, Susanoo, Kamui, etc.
So yes, you are drawing a false equivalence when you attempt to assert inherent qualities are “Jutsu” here. It is not.
Except we literally see him do just that as well as Absorb Nine-Tails Chakra. You point is invalid.
Via Madara’s example, we know doujutsu abilities are not erased from the user’s catalog of abilities, just diminished. He had no Rinnegan but was still SHOWN using a diminished version of Preta. You literally have no standing here and I suggest you reread those parts of the war arc before continuing.
Wrong. Read above.
I feel like it can be interpreted as power increase in a general sense, that makes more sense than just the ability shrinking fasterPower definitional refers to the capability to do something. “The American people hold the power to vote.” Being an example in which it doesn’t refer to raw AP. Another wiki pertinent example being our “Power & Ability Sections”, as in using power synonymously with abilities. So, when Koji talks about “Isshiki’s power is 10x better”, Isshiki’s power here is his Doujutsu abilities, as evident by the context.
No it’s blatantly talking about the Doujutsu ability.I feel like it can be interpreted as power increase in a general sense, that makes more sense than just the ability shrinking faster
Right after that statement Koji uses a stronger jutsu intended to deal greater physical damage implying to us that it was about his overall power/ap
okayNo it’s blatantly talking about the Doujutsu ability.
No UES so the idea can't even be entertainedokay
what if one were to argue it's an overall 10x buff that resulted in the jutsu being more potent?
if hes abilities are 10x'd from increased chakra and power than his physicals should be 10x'd too no?
I reread the chapters (47-48) and the feat reads:He’s talking about Isshiki’s Doujutsu being 10x better than when Jigen used it. That has nothing to do with a stat amp.
Naruto's clones are sentient tho iirc.The WA ten tail pieces are not sentient. They're part of the Juubi, similar like clones to Naruto
True I don't think you are wrong by your logical deduction, however, the idea that Tengai Shinsei would be ablaze if pulled from space assumes it follows the same physical laws as objects in the real world when we know in the Naruto universe, jutsu often defy real-world physics. Given Madara's control over the ability, it's more plausible that he manipulates it in a way that prevents ablation. (By the way just so you know, it is fine if it just summon, I just interpret differently)How do you reconcile it not being ablated? For if it was pulled from space it would be lit ablaze upon entering the atmosphere.
There is no flaw, you’re still making a False Equivalency. The ability to see Chakra or have Pre-Cog innately, as in the case of the Sharingan, isn’t comparable to special techniques the Sharingan can produce. Again, your Ama’s, Susanoo’s, Tsuki’s, Koto’s, etc. THOSE are considered Jutsu.I can't believe you don't see the flaw in your arguments. those jutsu you mentioned are literally abilities.
Irrelevant and you’re trying to deflect.I dare you to name the jutsu madara uses to distinguish clones from original or should we slap it on all sharingan users coz it is a trait?
Except that’s not stated or implied. Sasuke attributes it to his Rinnegan. And if you want to argue how he could sense the TS still, I can argue it’s residual effect of having had the Rinnegan, using Madara as the example.Also my bad i used a basic rinnengan ability as an example. The point is seeing in time stop is an ability strictly to sasuke as it is not a basic rinnengan ability
If you mean sentient as per just having awareness, then yes.Naruto's clones are sentient tho iirc.
tbh I'm more interested in AP since anything that multiplies jigen past 6x gets us to 5B again10x Jigen stuff probably isn't happening again,
And it is definitely not getting applied as a linear buff to speed.
UES shouldn't be relevant here since increased chakra should increase physicals regardlessNo UES so the idea can't even be entertained
My Prescience is flaring up… I see your future now:tbh I'm more interested in AP since anything that multiplies jigen past 6x gets us to 5B again
UES shouldn't be relevant here since increased chakra should increase physicals regardless
this is true, it's always a weird thing to hear others say it's not from space because all other interpretations make 0 senseTrue I don't think you are wrong by your logical deduction, however, the idea that Tengai Shinsei would be ablaze if pulled from space assumes it follows the same physical laws as objects in the real world when we know in the Naruto universe, jutsu often defy real-world physics. Given Madara's control over the ability, it's more plausible that he manipulates it in a way that prevents ablation. (By the way just so you know, it is fine if it just summon, I just interpret differently)
Yes. The ability to sense and feel.If you mean sentient as per just having awareness, then yes.
However, their personality is the exact copy of the original.
That's ego. Grimes don't have that. I was talking about the grimes. Grimes pretty much act exactly like the fission beings. The essence evolves them to have ego/personalities later, but that's separate from sentience.The hitoshinju each have unique personality/souls. They are similar to tailed beasts than juubi fissions.
Mizuki: "I stand as a one-man army, tall and unyielding amidst my enemies. They rally their allies, plotting to bring me down, but they do not realize—I am a one-man army, and I stand tall amidst them all."My Prescience is flaring up… I see your future now:
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what does this even meanBtw, when Naruto uses MSC and does the thing where he shifts his position amoung them… Is that FTE usage or is it Limited Spatial Manipulation?![]()
You know how sometimes when Naruto uses Multi-Shadow Clones but “somehow” he isn’t in the position of the one who created them anymore (Did it against Neji, Kakuzu, & Kaguya)?what does this even mean
it wouldn't make them 5B,tbh I'm more interested in AP since anything that multiplies jigen past 6x gets us to 5B again
I just had an idea,Was this statement used for upgrades before?
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"In an instant, it's being reduced...! The power is an order of magnitude greater than Jigen's...!"
~ Boruto NNG #48
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Not disputing that they are similar to fission beings.Yes. The ability to sense and feel.
That's ego. Grimes don't have that. I was talking about the grimes. Grimes pretty much act exactly like the fission beings. The essence evolves them to have ego/personalities later, but that's separate from sentience.
Naw I’m not entirely discrediting him pulling it either, I think it’s a fine highball for the feat. But we do quantify the feat assuming it abides by irl physics (KE = 1/2 mv^2) so I find it slightly misleading when we pick and choose which physics we abide by and which physics we dismiss. If it doesn’t abide by irl physics, who’s to say we can quantify it using normal KE?True I don't think you are wrong by your logical deduction, however, the idea that Tengai Shinsei would be ablaze if pulled from space assumes it follows the same physical laws as objects in the real world when we know in the Naruto universe, jutsu often defy real-world physics. Given Madara's control over the ability, it's more plausible that he manipulates it in a way that prevents ablation. (By the way just so you know, it is fine if it just summon, I just interpret differently)
I think it's just him being super fast, if it was the latter we would probably get a databook entry explaining thatYou know how sometimes when Naruto uses Multi-Shadow Clones but “somehow” he isn’t in the position of the one who created them anymore (Did it against Neji, Kakuzu, & Kaguya)?
Is him switching his position among the Clones FTE usage (Ala Substitution) or is it Limited Spatial Manipulation?