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Being an JJ changed his body. We never see his left arm unclothed after that Minato encounter, but as we can see here (That was officially colored, not by ***********), his right arm was cobbled together and two toned before Becoming a JJ, and is healed back to it’s original state after Madara first saved him. So no, that assumption is wrong.
No Akatsuki members went on Missions. That is never stated, iirc. Even then, you yourself attempted to say that Kakashi still got weaker despite fights, which all of his missions would consist of. Using that same logic, even if Akatsuki (Whom were dead silent and had no movement according to Jiraiya) did go on missions, that doesn’t state or imply they trained at all. And if they did have fights, that doesn’t mean they stay in shape, as you are arguing.
And you cannot claim Obito got weaker without proof. And your only argument here hinges on the fact that we don’t know what Obito was doing. You’re taking a panel or two and trying to extrapolate a narrative that he didn’t train or upkeep himself, but that is not a Supportive Argument, nor is it sufficient. It’s an appeal to ignorance. By definition “WE DO NOT KNOW”, therefore assertions cannot be made.
The burden of proof is on you to prove Obito is weaker. My Argument is that nothing proves he is weaker. There are no feats, context, implications, statements, that he has Physically Diminished or that his CC or Chakra in-general has Diminished and thus, no basis to assume he’s diminished.
Not mention it is a ludicrous notion ANYWAYS as controlling Kurama’s Chakra has to do with his CC and the Strength of his Chakra, which doesn’t change in verse except in cases of Near Death, Old Age, or Incapacitation, and Obito was neither of them.
Not necessarily true, and I’m actually referring to the Manga. Itachi states he gained Susanoo only after Awakening Ama + Tsuki. Sasuke, has Tsuki (And Used it Twice) as well as Ama, and only unlocked Susanoo after. Madara didn’t show Ama, but demonstrated his ability to use Tsuki when discussing with Obito, and the fact he has Susanoo supports this as well. Obito never had both Eyes, so unlocking the MS true power was impossible. When he finally got DMS, the fact that he can use Susanoo is proof that Ama + Tsuki is unlocked. That has never been contradicted and os still supported.
Is Blaze Release only Sasuke only? No. In FKS, C does imply that Itachi could also control Ama, but that Sasuke was better at it. Just like the reverse with Sasuke and Danzou with Tsuki. So yes, Ama, Tsuki and Susa are MS Starter Packs. The only Special abilities that have been given to MS are Kamui and Koto. Nothing more.
This is false, as Kishimoto has maintained this stance as explained above. You see, the problem you’re facing is that Kishimoto established specific terms for MS (Susa unlocks after Ama + Tsuki). He reinstated it in the DB, and continued it throughout w/ CONSISTENCY!!
Not controlling Kurama’s Chakra is inconsistent and False. Again, Sasuke has already showed to be capable of controlling lower amounts of Kurama’s Chakra (As well as Higher Amounts than Kn0 Through Manda). He could more than Likely control more, especially as this was Casual, but even sticking with Kn0 though, this unequivocally proves that a stronger Sharingan could control higher amounts of Kurama’s Chakra.
As I have already told you, the DB is outdated because it doesn’t take into account that Kishimoto MADE a younger Obito capable of controlling 100% Kurama, much less that this is even a 50% Kurama. As I have explained above, Kishimoto only had a Developmental Headstart that didn’t expand far enough to cover the Minato Flashback. Wherein he contradicts the statement by showing that Obito is capable of it.
Kishimoto did not have the story developed far enough to know he would have Kurama split in two and that Obito would be the one, not Madara. Couple that with the fact that Kishimoto’s intent was to have Obito fight Naruto in the future, to suggest that Obito is weaker based on a statement made before development reached that point and no consistency goes against the implication here.
Kishimoto: “Yeah, sure… Obito as a teenager was able to control a much stronger Kurama, fight the strongest Kage of his time AND threaten a rematch but fast forward 16 years and now, in his prime age, fOr ReAsOnS uNkNoWn, he is now magically weaker and can’t control half of the beast he once cold. No explanation needed… Enjoy~!”
Bro, you’re killing me…
I disagree. You’re missing the point. Outdated Information doesn’t supersede newer, consistent information. Zetsu was speaking Generally and Shisui’s Koto is the strongest Genjutsu. Another example as to why outdated information should not be used so frivolously.
You’re right… (3TM is Shown when hit)
Madara controlling the Nine-Tails and fighting Hashirama was already established, so what is your point in bringing this up? Obito is restating what Itachi already told Sasuke regarding Uchiha ocular power. Obito is an Uchiha whith Ocular power capable of controlling Nine-Tails… What is a fact is that Kishimoto did not have the series that far developed. Hell, he wasn’t even sure he wanted to do a War Arc all the way back in the Pain Invasion before he felt like he wrote himself into a corner with Pain’s speech, which again, supports that he didn’t have the series that far mapped out or fleshed out.
Yes, what is relevant is that Obito had the ocular power to control the full Nine-Tails. The strength of his Sharingan’s Chakra or his CC is not stated, shown or implied to have been diminished and there is no evidence of that. Period.
Yagura is a Perfect Jinchuriki. It is considered nigh impossible to Genjutsu a PJ in-verse and Obito casually does it. For years. Light work.
Again, show me where his Ocular Powers are Diminished where he can’t control Kurama.
Manga showings + WoG Regarding Creator’s Developmental Process > Outdated DB that has no supporting evidence, but the contrary.
Except the DB is just wrong here. How about you stop ignoring context when the Manga and DB aren’t reconcilable in this case. Obito having diminished ocular power for no reason that you can point to is absurd and ludicrous and antithetical to how Ocular power and CC work in verse.
Except nothing supports Kurama > OM Obito Genjutsu, which is the point. That is an argument sans context and blatantly ignores how Ocular Power Works In-Verse.
It doesn’t.
Idt you understand the point of mentioning it. Someone whose Ocular Power is at their weakest can Genjutsu Biju Level Characters. Hebi Sasuke at his strongest, doesn’t have Ocular Power comparable to OM Obito. Again, not even in the same ball park. So you want to keep focussing on the Kurama vs Biju Aspect when OM Obito Ocular Power vs Hebi Sasuke’s is a comparable Gap, if not more-so than Kurama vs Biju.
Your analogy is incorrect due to the fact we have verifiable information that throws cold water on that notion. Going by your previous argument, Ay would be weaker than his teen self. When we actually apply facts from the Manga, WA V2 Ay is only around Gyuuki level. The DB is what allows us to put him over Gyuuki. Ohnoki’s influence is unquantifiable (And this is a Straw Argument you’re making btw).
Also, note how Madara only says “The Biju”, and doesn’t specify Kurama.
I’m done here. I said my piece on this. I’ll continue to disagree because there is nothing you can show me that proves Obito’s ocular power is diminished and I addressed my views on the DB Statement. It’s comparable to other DB statements like: “…No one who confronts Sasuke stands a chance of living!”
Yeah ok…sure.
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