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Naruto Conceptual Manipulation Addition

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This should be a pretty simple thread with the evidence at hand.

Rinnegan users should have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation.

The argument is as follows, the Rinnegan is stated to transcend the very concepts of Life and Death, and because of this transcendental nature, Rinnegan users can manipulate them freely. It was initially assumed that this is just a hyperbolic statement without concrete interpretation. I reject such notions as this argument presupposes the statement as hyperbolic without providing reason as to why it's hyperbolic, I can consider the statement as non-hyperbolic and have that claim be equal in soundness as the argument was founded upon zero evidence. Only personal interpretations.

This fulfills our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation. The concepts of Life and Death are abstract by definition of them being concepts, concepts cannot be physical inherently, they can only be abstract. They define the reality which they govern over as it's through manipulating these concepts that one manipulates life and death. And finally, it's discussing the universal variety of concepts as it affects the properties of Life and Death beyond the normal universal space-time of Naruto's world, it necessitates that these concepts aren't being discussed in a limited context.

With this evidence, I can say with great certainty that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities, and anyone who disagrees with this is disagreeing with objective fact.
 
we talked about this for a bit in vc and I def agree, but I thought you were dropping this thread with the layer conceptual soul manip stuff for chakra?
 
chakra transcends all and you know it
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This should be a pretty simple thread with the evidence at hand.

Rinnegan users should have Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, and Death Manipulation.

The argument is as follows, the Rinnegan is stated to transcend the very concepts of Life and Death, and because of this transcendental nature, Rinnegan users can manipulate them freely. It was initially assumed that this is just a hyperbolic statement without concrete interpretation. I reject such notions as this argument presupposes the statement as hyperbolic without providing reason as to why it's hyperbolic, I can consider the statement as non-hyperbolic and have that claim be equal in soundness as the argument was founded upon zero evidence. Only personal interpretations.

This fulfills our requirements for Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation. The concepts of Life and Death are abstract by definition of them being concepts, concepts cannot be physical inherently, they can only be abstract. They define the reality which they govern over as it's through manipulating these concepts that one manipulates life and death. And finally, it's discussing the universal variety of concepts as it affects the properties of Life and Death beyond the normal universal space-time of Naruto's world, it necessitates that these concepts aren't being discussed in a limited context.

With this evidence, I can say with great certainty that Rinnegan users should be granted these abilities, and anyone who disagrees with this is disagreeing with objective fact.
Having reviewed the evidence presented here, I gotta say I agree. It's very compelling evidence for CM (Type 2).

To further extrapolate on this idea, I'd like to present some extra pieces of support.

So, we also have Hagoromo creating the "concept of emotions" from scratch, given that he granted the Juubi's fragments the concept of emotions when they previously lacked it. Then you have Yin-Yang Release "giving rise to all things in the Universe" and "creating all things from naught".

I believe the evidence is rather conclusive and clear-cut here.
 
I agree for now, I laughingly mentioned this to UchihaSlayer but honestly it could work, I think this also would apply to chakra as an energy itself, or at least chakra at its apex

It's also worth mentioning that chakra is the bridge between the Pure Lands and basically every other dimension, seriously
 
To further extrapolate on this idea, I'd like to present some extra pieces of support.

So, we also have Hagoromo creating the "concept of emotions" from scratch, given that he granted the Juubi's fragments the concept of emotions when they previously lacked it. Then you have Yin-Yang Release "giving rise to all things in the Universe" and "creating all things from naught".

I believe the evidence is rather conclusive and clear-cut here.
I agree based on this. This should be added to the OP, because as it currently is I can’t find myself agreeing with “Well you can’t prove this statement isn’t literal so it’s literal”.
 
This should be moved to staff discussion as its a very important crt and could change several matches. Never knew Naruto was this op
 
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