Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Ghostimuscrime]

That feat is cool ngl

Naruto’s speed goes upto 78xish faster than the Raikage

If we use the Kirin speed statement (0.016c) which is for normal CTG lightning and Raikage is faster than lightning speed attacks,

KCM1 Naruto would be 1.3c

 

[Iabihs]

Also why tf was Kishimoto still hyping up guns by the WA's run
車も出したんですが、担当さんに「そ んなに楽しちゃダメだろう」と言われ ボツになりました。あとは、銃も手 裏剣の意味がなくなってしまうのでボ ツ。
We also included a car, but the person in charge said, "You can't have that much fun," so it was scrapped. We also scrapped the gun because it would have made the shuriken meaningless.

Gun in the naruto verse > Normal Gun
SHuriken in naruto > normal shuriken

Two completely different statements

 

[Samlex1234]

That feat is cool ngl

Naruto’s speed goes upto 78xish faster than the Raikage

If we use the Kirin speed statement (0.016c) which is for normal CTG lightning and Raikage is faster than lightning speed attacks,

KCM1 Naruto would be 1.3c

That is a valid speed we have been ignoring so far and I don't know why. We know that the Raikage speed for his fastest punch should not be slower than Kakashi moving to intercept lightning.

 

[Iabihs]

All Sarada needs is Susanoo and some hax and shes set for life

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That is a valid speed we have been ignoring so far and I don't know why. We know that the Raikage speed for his fastest punch should not be slower than Kakashi moving to intercept lightning.

No, using Kakashi is bad, we don’t want calc stacks

A better way to scale is that kakuzus attacks are lightning [stated as lightning + accepted as lightning speed due to consistency with lightning properties]

Raikage is the fastest shinobi and would be above everything shown before in the story except for Minato

use that and then Naruto being 78x faster and boom ftl speeds yet again



There’s honestly so many ways to get kcm1 tiers into ftl I just don’t have the motivation to work on those

 

[Nierre]

It seems the blade has some kind of properties that destabilize ryu jutsu as opposed to him being tier 5

Also, are we in agreement that “all” the Shinju don’t physically scale to Tier 5? Because SM Mitsuki bullied Ryu Physically and Chidori “is” Piercing Damage afterall… Might be copium but I do want to debate it vs just giving them blanket Tier 5.

Yes. From what I can tell Araya definitely isn't Tier 5.

Also, agree with Ryu not being physically Tier 5 yet. But LIKELY Tier 5 with Iron Sand. All he did was lift Code, he didn't attack him. He asked Jura if he could kill him next time and Jura said sure, so it's a likelihood that he's able to. If he had a profile I'd be for a likely rating.

Which means..... maybe no Tier 5 Mitsuki yet..

As for Hidari, his dura feats are blocking attacks from Base Kawaki, and Sarada... who are Tier 6, and he has no physical feats outside of Raiton. But at the same time, Boruto clearly felt threatened by him (and the rest of the Shinju, WHICH IS IMPORTANT). Unlike Ryu, it would be weird if Hidari was Tier 6 and only Tier 5 with Chidori, bc Boruto should be able to make quick work of him tbh, especially considering he doesn't have the Sharingan to assist him with Chidori. Although...... Boruto was able to slice through his Wood hand like it was nothing... and Rasengan into him like it was nothing..... maybe Hidari really is weak physically. But anyway, as the story progresses and we see more of what Hidari is capable of we can come to a more concrete answer

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Konohamaru not even using a single brain cell rn .

 

[Godernet]

Then I think Jura should scale 2x above Boruto’s AP since SMR>RSB

i don't think Boruto has never done one on his own, Naruto made one in his hand during the Momoshiki Arc and IIRC helped him make one in the Urashiki arc, and Momo possessing Boruto's body made one.

Boruto's never even made an Odama (Giant) Rasengan let alone a Massive one.

Pre-Timeskip He even tried to have Kakashi teach him how to use the weaker Giant Rasengan in the anime and Kakashi flat-out said you don't have the chakra reserves for that one chief.

 

[Damage3245]

Konohamaru not even using a single brain cell rn .

Konohamaru didn't do a single thing the whole chapter but sit there. Very disappointing pacing for a monthly series.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

i don't think Boruto has never done one on his own, Naruto made one in his hand during the Momoshiki Arc and IIRC helped him make one in the Urashiki arc, and Momo possessing Boruto's body made one.

Boruto's never even made an Odama (Giant) Rasengan let alone a Massive one.

Pre-Timeskip He even tried to have Kakashi teach him how to use the weaker Giant Rasengan in the anime and Kakashi flat-out said you don't have the chakra reserves for that one chief.

Dang it

 

[Samlex1234]

@Nierre sup man, I was going through the Law vs Kinshiki and Momoshiki fight, you forgot to bring up some of their abilities that gives them advantages like flight and also spatial manipulation (Teleportation) that enables them to escape from room at anytime.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Also, agree with Ryu not being physically Tier 5 yet. But LIKELY Tier 5 with Iron Sand.

Wasn't Code desperately thrashing to get out of the Iron Sand's grip though? I think that's probably enough for a solid rating for th Iron Sand.

 

[Nierre]

Wasn't Code desperately thrashing to get out of the Iron Sand's grip though? I think that's probably enough for a solid rating for th Iron Sand.

That's LS

 

[JohnHendrix212]

That's LS

Oh right.

 

[Nierre]

@Nierre sup man, I was going through the Law vs Kinshiki and Momoshiki fight, you forgot to bring up some of their abilities that gives them advantages like flight and also spatial manipulation (Teleportation) that enables them to escape from room at anytime.

don't even remember that matchup tbh

law matches are a cancer

 

[Samlex1234]

Based on what we know so far from TBV, your durability does not always scale to your attacks, we have people like Code tanking the initial impact of Uzuhiko while Hidari is getting his shoulder blown off from a base Rasengan. Honestly, so far I hate how Ikemoto has been writing the Shinju’s brain-dead power scaling.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Konohamaru not even using a single brain cell rn .

I mean if I was sitting next to Matsuri I wouldn't be able to think straight either so can we really blame him

 

[Testarossa002]

Based on what we know so far from TBV, your durability does not always scale to your attacks, we have people like Code tanking the initial impact of Uzuhiko while Hidari is getting his shoulder blown off from a base Rasengan. Honestly, so far I hate how Ikemoto has been writing the Shinju’s brain-dead power scaling.

Boruto was specifically trying not to kill Code, though
So whatever feats he shows vs Boruto shouldn't be used for powerscaling without further context

 

[Samlex1234]

I mean if I was sitting next to Matsuri I wouldn't be able to think straight either so can we really blame him

The problem is that he is indeed thinking straight and he is not threatened by her looks at all. Very annoying character, just for a simple Konahamaru Chan he is going to risk the destruction of the entire World and also loss the chance of saving Moegi.

 

[Godernet]

Based on what we know so far from TBV, your durability does not always scale to your attacks, we have people like Code tanking the initial impact of Uzuhiko while Hidari is getting his shoulder blown off from a base Rasengan. Honestly, so far I hate how Ikemoto has been writing the Shinju’s brain-dead power scaling.

that's not really an inconsistency.

Bort more than likely just held back Uzuhiko, which he said he could do, against Code, so he could apply the vertigo effect and bargain with him, since he didnt wanna kill him.

Meanwhile, Boruto is trying to kill Hidari.

That just means the initial Uzuhiko was weaker than Boruto's normal Rasengan output.

it's not that ridiculous considering we've seen people like Jiraiya nerf their Rasengan to the point where borderline civilians can take it. There is also that one statement that techniques are inherently stronger when the person using them is trying to kill.

There are far worse examples of bad power scaling in the Bort series.

 

[Samlex1234]

Boruto was specifically trying not to kill Code, though
So whatever feats he shows vs Boruto shouldn't be used for powerscaling without further context

The initial impact for Uzuhiko even if it is not fully charged should still be greater than Base Rasengan, we also know that Boruto had no problem hurting him and was even surprised that he could stand.

 

[Godernet]

The initial impact for Uzuhiko even if it is not fully charged should still be greater than Base Rasengan

why?

 

[Nierre]

this sounds familiar

 

[DavidTPPM]

The problem is that he is indeed thinking straight and he is not threatened by her looks at all. Very annoying character, just for a simple Konahamaru Chan he is going to risk the destruction of the entire World and also loss the chance of saving Moegi.

I'd risk the destruction of the world as well
Maybe it's just all a part of bigger plan Shikamaru gave him

 

[Testarossa002]

The initial impact for Uzuhiko even if it is not fully charged should still be greater than Base Rasengan

There's no reason for this to be the case.

we also know that Boruto had no problem hurting him and was even surprised that he could stand.

Yeah. Hurt him. Not cripple him. It's been a while I read that chapter but wasn't boruto referring to Code standing even though he was under the vertigo effects of Uzuhiko?

 

[ssgengar]

That's the thing about it though
I was there weekly and it was NOT being received well at all
And I'm not even talking about the anime with the filler
The Kabuto section of the arc was so hated which is insane to me and people were constantly calling out "plotholes" that didn't exist cause they couldn't read or simply didn't like some writing decisions that they took upon themselves to call plotholes
Weekly is just not for everybody frankly and if you find yourself defending an ongoing series that's heavily "criticized" online you'll be called everything but a child of God for simply thinking differently
You gotta really love a series and not be tuned to negativity to really enjoy something coming out weekly/monthly

Yeah these are pretty much the people I’m talking about though. For the ones who actually enjoyed the series and were excited about it were eating real good almost every week

Edit: I meant to respond to the very last part of your message

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

this sounds familiar

having deja vu

 

[Samlex1234]

why?

It takes him more time to charge Uzuhiko than his regular Rasengan also When Eida calls it a basic Rasengan, we know that Daemon corrected her that it was more than a basic Rasengan and Boruto was surprised that code could still stand, which would mean that he had no problem hurting him enough not to kill him. Against Hidari when Sarada asked for him to use his base Rasengan, he opted for Uzuhiko instead, meaning that Uzuhiko would have provided more energy output than his base Rasengan even though it was not fully charged.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That's the thing about it though
I was there weekly and it was NOT being received well at all
And I'm not even talking about the anime with the filler
The Kabuto section of the arc was so hated which is insane to me and people were constantly calling out "plotholes" that didn't exist cause they couldn't read or simply didn't like some writing decisions that they took upon themselves to call plotholes
Weekly is just not for everybody frankly and if you find yourself defending an ongoing series that's heavily "criticized" online you'll be called everything but a child of God for simply thinking differently
You gotta really love a series and not be tuned to negativity to really enjoy something coming out weekly/monthly

I usually enjoy reading things weekly ngl

Also, are we in agreement that “all” the Shinju don’t physically scale to Tier 5? Because SM Mitsuki bullied Ryu Physically and Chidori “is” Piercing Damage afterall… Might be copium but I do want to debate it vs just giving them blanket Tier 5.

I highly doubt the Shinju Ego are physically inferior to Pre-God Tree Juubidara

7 years and Minatos profile is still so mid? Crazy

It's decent aside from speed (perhaps I should make a speed CRT instead of waiting forever for the speed revisions tho)

Gun in the naruto verse > Normal Gun
SHuriken in naruto > normal shuriken

Two completely different statements

He could make that the case sure, doesn't prevent them from being usable though

 

[DavidTPPM]

It's decent aside from speed (perhaps I should make a speed CRT instead of waiting forever for the speed revisions tho)

I'm more so referring to the formatting and overall look than the ratings themselves. Missing scans and references, broken links, giant cluttered wall of text for AP, etc.

(it's nothing serious but one would think if you can spend 95 hours editing and formatting a quora answer about Minato, his vsbw profile would be perfect after 7 years )

 

[Nierre]

the profiles for the god trees were made too soon tbh, now we gotta make crts when we barely know much about any of them

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm more so referring to the formatting and overall look than the ratings themselves. Missing scans and references, broken links,

This is moreso cause of imgur being fraudulent but sure

giant cluttered wall of text for AP, etc.

Personally I prefer that to dealing with annoying ass tabs for keys ngl (even looks worse on mobile)

(it's nothing serious but one would think if you can spend 95 hours editing and formatting a quora answer about Minato, his vsbw profile would be perfect after 7 years )

That's focused on scaling which is my hyper fixation (I have neglected my goat on VSBW tho u right)

 

[Godernet]

It takes him more time to charge Uzuhiko than his regular Rasengan

longer charge time doesn't always mean more AP.

even the weakest version of his Uzuhiko still requires him to draw energy from the planet rather than just use his internal energy.

even if he was just trying to get the vertigo effect it would still take more time to prep than a regular Rasengan.

also When Eida calls it a basic Rasengan, we know that Daemon corrected her that it was more than a basic Rasengan

cause the planet was shaking from the effect of his jutsu, something that normal rasengans don't cause.

also being more than a normal rasengan doesn't automatically mean higher ap since it also has an effect that no other rasengan before it had, which would still make Daemon's statement true and have nothing to do with AP.

and Boruto was surprised that code could still stand, which would mean that he had no problem hurting him enough not to kill him.

Boruto was surprised that he was still on his feet and said nothing about him being visibly undamaged.

And we know he needed to talk to Code as soon as possible to get the Juubi's location.

if anything that's just more evidence that he was just trying to incapacitate him so that he could talk to him.

Against Hidari when Sarada asked for him to use his base Rasengan, he opted for Uzuhiko instead, meaning that Uzuhiko would have provided more energy output than his base Rasengan even though it was not fully charged.

yeah because overall Uzuhiko > Rasengan.

That doesn't mean he can't nerf Uzuhiko to the point of being weaker than his Rasengan who are meant to kill someone.

Rasengan is a jutsu that fluctuates in AP the more chakra you put into it.

let's say:

Max Output Uzuhiko is a 100
Code's Durability is a 9
Hidari's Durability is also a 9
a Rasengan is 1-10 (depending on how much power Boruto is putting into it)
and a partially charged Uzuhiko can be anywhere from 1-99 (depending on the amount of the planet's chakra that Boruto brings out.)

all that means is that he brought Uzuhiko below a 9 to not seriously damage Code, but apply the vertigo effect so that he could interrogate him and potentially spare him if he cooperated.

and against Hidari, because he needed to fully destroy him, he immediately tries a Rasengan at 10, it does damage just not enough, so he starts charging Uzuhiko, bringing it anywhere from 11-99, but it's still more than enough to beat Hidari.

 

[DavidTPPM]

This is moreso cause of imgur being fraudulent but sure

I know I'm just being a hater

Personally I prefer that to dealing with annoying ass tabs for keys ngl

Skill issue, tabs are superior

(even looks worse on mobile)

I usually just switch my window to desktop site when checking profiles, it's far easier to navigate like that.

That's focused on scaling which is my hyper fixation (I have neglected my goat on VSBW tho u right)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I know I'm just being a hater

Skill issue, tabs are superior

Nah, | 'd win

I usually just switch my window to desktop site when checking profiles, it's far easier to navigate like that.

Why did I not know that was a thing until just now

 

[HelloThere1089]

What about chapters that have a fair bit of both, like this one?

Will have to wait for the official release for that.

I think whats worse than a fight chapter is a build up chapter with no new information or funny interactions.

def

 

[HelloThere1089]

Konohamaru not even using a single brain cell rn .

Can't really use something that doesn't exist.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I swear that picture is older than half of the people on this wiki

Why did I not know that was a thing until just now

You spent 7 years looking at mobile versions of profiles not knowing you can make them 30x prettier by clicking a single button?

 

[ssgengar]

You spent 7 years looking at mobile versions of profiles not knowing you can make them 30x prettier by clicking a single button?

Wait how do I do that what button

 

[Samlex1234]

longer charge time doesn't always mean more AP.

even the weakest version of his Uzuhiko still requires him to draw energy from the planet rather than just use his internal energy.

even if he was just trying to get the vertigo effect it would still take more time to prep than a regular Rasengan.

cause the planet was shaking from the effect of his jutsu, something that normal rasengans don't cause.

also being more than a normal rasengan doesn't automatically mean higher ap since it also has an effect that no other rasengan before it had, which would still make Daemon's statement true and have nothing to do with AP.

Boruto was surprised that he was still on his feet and said nothing about him being visibly undamaged.

And we know he needed to talk to Code as soon as possible to get the Juubi's location.

if anything that's just more evidence that he was just trying to incapacitate him so that he could talk to him.

yeah because overall Uzuhiko > Rasengan.

That doesn't mean he can't nerf Uzuhiko to the point of being weaker than his Rasengan who are meant to kill someone.

Rasengan is a jutsu that fluctuates in AP the more chakra you put into it.

let's say:

Max Output Uzuhiko is a 100
Code's Durability is a 9
Hidari's Durability is also a 9
a Rasengan is 1-10 (depending on how much power Boruto is putting into it)
and a partially charged Uzuhiko can be anywhere from 1-99 (depending on the amount of the planet's chakra that Boruto brings out.)

all that means is that he brought Uzuhiko below a 9 to not seriously damage Code, but apply the vertigo effect so that he could interrogate him and potentially spare him if he cooperated.

and against Hidari, because he needed to fully destroy him, he immediately tries a Rasengan at 10, it does damage just not enough, so he starts charging Uzuhiko, bringing it anywhere from 11-99, but it's still more than enough to beat Hidari.

Well, not that I completely disagree with you so I will not press this anymore as you are giving us more valid justification to scrap the current maximum Uzuhiko rating we have. Boruto Base Rasengan being> No limiters Code durability is something I'm fine with.