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That's what we call "built different"
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
MinatoSparkle
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That just shows that characters that tank it scale somewhat to the user as well. Even if very low end. Even if its "intent" isn't to hurt opponents, it still packs the chakra of the user in an offensive form.
I disagree pretty strongly. Sharp weapons are super effective, but there are plenty of cases where they're tanked when there's a large stat difference.
He'd have to reinforce his body with chakra to tank them, which he has no reason to waste his energy on if he can just stand to the side
We been over this that's not what he was doing
Him holding back is fine but he was most certainly not intentionally keeping them alive
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"or had reasons to not expend lots of energy because he was going to die in 20 years"We been over this that's not what he was doing
Almost like i acknowledged that he switched up on killer intent...
MinatoSparkle
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Or suggests it could be either one but alright then
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I'm just covering all bases since idk what GTSEK believes
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@MinatoSparkle
My point is, it is not wise to Blanket them with that Generalization. Hidari / Mamushi physical feats don’t inherently scale to Ryu or Matsuri.
So when you say things like, they shouldn’t be weaker than Six Paths Madara physically because These 2 “other” Characters have shown XYZ, that is textbook “Association Fallacy”.
My point is, it is not wise to Blanket them with that Generalization. Hidari / Mamushi physical feats don’t inherently scale to Ryu or Matsuri.
So when you say things like, they shouldn’t be weaker than Six Paths Madara physically because These 2 “other” Characters have shown XYZ, that is textbook “Association Fallacy”.
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When?
No, the technique literally does 0 damage. All it does is send people flying, it's an LS feat, not an AP feat. He got sent flying, so his LS is lower than the LS of Boruto's Breakthrough. Mitsuki used Breakthrough against Boro and his gas and literally did 0 damage despite being relative.
But regardless, Hidari still has mid physicals?? He literally has nothing to show for Tier 5 physicals as of now. He got knicked by Sarada's chidori and got his (wood) arm cut in half by Boruto, and got his shoulder blown off with a Rasengan.
Just based on his showings, he is NOT relative to Boruto, and only with Chidori.
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We should get Naruto's war arc base to baseline island level, not for wank reasons but because the profiles order of progression would look really good
WA naruto starting out at 7B sticks out painfully
- Part 1 Naruto [Tier 8 to Tier 7]
- Shippuden Naruto [Tier 7 to Tier 6]
- War Arc Naruto [Tier 6 to Tier 5]
- New Era Naruto [Tier 5 to Tier 4]
WA naruto starting out at 7B sticks out painfully
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this just gave me a devious idea 
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I mean mostly for abilities. There's only base and sage mode sections but I don't see anything for kn4/kn6
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why give out separate keys to transformations, keys are generally for when you get stronger overall and have all transformations and attack variations bumped up
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Testarossa002
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4 tails vs Orochimaru
Team 7 vs Deepa
Sasuke vs Fused Momoshiki
Suigetsu vs Obito
Admittedly, there isn't a lot of cases but that's more or less due to having very few instances when the weaker characters in a fight use sharp weapons against the stronger ones. It's usually characters who are in the same ball park as their opponents e.g Obito vs Bee, Sasuke vs Ay, Orochimaru vs Hiruzen, Sasuke vs Madara etc
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Chakra Cloak
Carbon Armor
Outlier (Was shown getting cut up by regular chakra enhanced tools that AREN’T Chakra Enhanced Kusanagi Blades in the same fight shortly after transforming).
Valid. We do know Naruto characters are durable against Cutting attacks (Base Naruto Wasn’t pierced by Gaara’s Steel Cutting Shuriken), but there is a threshold i’d argue.
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I thought he lost that sword?
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That specific “war arc” one, yes, but the Boruto Movie Guide confirms this new one he has is also a Kusanagi blade.
Probably got it from the same place he got the first one…
MinatoSparkle
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Considering they're portions of the same power source I think it's fair
Along with the examples Test gave, Kakuzu's body physically withstood the Rasenshuriken, Itachi seemed to tanked Sasuke's Chidori hitting his arm, SM Naruto tanked falling into stalactites, V1 Ay tanked FKS Sasuke's Chidori blade, a KCM Naruto clone tanked Zetsu sword strikes, SM Madara tanked Matatabi's claw strike + a hit from spinning Isobu's spiky exterior + Kokuo's horn, Madara tanked Sasuke's Chidori, and SPSM Naruto tanked Sasuke's Chidori.
It's literally wind, just the same as an ordinary Wind Style jutsu. If the wind is fierce enough, it's gonna hurt you. I'm fine with it not hurting people on your level, but that doesn't mean it lacks any AP whatsoever.
Chidori is a comparable technique to Rasengan, as is shown and stated. If their Chidori and Rasengan are comparable, so should their physicals be.
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So Konohamaru is comparable to Koji physically because their Rasengans clashed?
It does negligible damage whenever it's used, users use it to push people away not for the AP aspect, which is my point.
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ah okThat specific “war arc” one, yes, but the Boruto Movie Guide confirms this new one he has is also a Kusanagi blade.
Probably got it from the same place he got the first one…
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Now we come full circle. What did I say before regarding Claw Grimes & TT Fission beings?
MinatoSparkle
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Naruto and Sasuke show physical relativity and Rasengan/Chidori relativity on a multitude of occasions and the databook calls them comparable techniques.
I haven't examined the scaling of that portion of the series in much depth, but I'm fine with that or Koji holding back.
Yes that's true, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to be hundreds of times weaker than the user when it's chakra being used to exert a physical force on the opponent in both cases.
This is just about not being as strong as the full thing no? Not sure what that has to do with their relation to each other.
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He really didn’t…
Is your argument going to be we don’t see the Damage on the cloak because of movement? We could equally say Itachi evaded the thrust by moving his arm, with only the cloak being cut. This isn’t evidence he was actually tagged, brother. At best the cloak was grazed given the size.
NE Enhanced Physicals. Not a 1:1 comp of Characters w/o enhancements tanking Cutting/Piercing.
Chidori Blade is Weaker than Chidori Proper and it simply means Raikage’s LR was stronger in that instance based on DB3.
The man is in a Chakra Cloak…
Again, NE Enhanced Physicals (Ntm Cat Strikes like this rarely connect with the “claws” unless it’s a wide target, such as a dog’s face or human hands).
Same as Matabi (NE Enhamced Physicals) + You can actually see the trajectory of Madara’s Body and it wasn’t against or aimed at Isobu’s spikes. Even if it were, you’d run into surface area issues with that argument as they’re wider then Madara’s body at the edges and thus wouldn’t be considered “Piercing” attacks in the conventional sense.
Same as Isobu.
Madara’s attire is comprised of Juubi’s Chakra (Thus it’s a Chakra Cloak).
Again, Chakra Cloak…
MinatoSparkle
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He got ****** up, but he didn't get turned into shreds like the Human Path for instance
He was clearly knocked back by the force of the Chidori, that's why he got sent flying, and his cheek also seems to have been wounded by it (he hadn't been hit by anything else around the face prior to this)
NE enhances all your physicals around the board. It's not like it gives some unique resistance to cutting/piercing, it simply makes you stronger.
Not particularly relevant given that it's still a lightning enhanced sword
Even if Ay neutralized the lightning enhancement, there was still the sword's raw strength
Similar thing as I have to say about Sage Mode, though I'd say this is a little more fair.
Not sure I see the relation?
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MinatoSparkle
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Whew, I was close to having the same response
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As the saying goes, “Gotta know when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em.”
MinatoSparkle
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Btw, @Nierre You were looking for an explanation on what I had to say about the whole clone thing, so here's an overview of my thoughts
- Kakashi states that making too many clones will make each one's chakra that much weaker
- A ninja has a total maximum power output, so if one body is using too much power, the others won't be as strong. And logically, if each of many clones is fighting at a similar intensity, they'd all be operating far below the original's max output
- Clones are implied to be slower than the user
- Translations on the statement differ, but in the VIZ, Tobirama pretty blatantly says that having clones out nerfs Hashirama
- Water clones, which operate on a similar principle as shadow clones but just with water as a medium, are far inferior to the user when there are many, and even when there's one, their strength is just "nearly" on par with the original's
- Whenever Naruto makes a clone, they individually perform much worse than the original. For example, Kaguya blitzes a bunch of Naruto clones in a row despite Naruto keeping up with her decently well prior, and KCM Naruto's clones consistently struggle against Mid-High Kage level characters despite FP KCM Naruto being on the level of EMS Sasuke/MS Edo Itachi/WA BM Bee (Base Bee already being beyond V1 Ay)
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Damn I've forgotten the context of this convo. What were you saying before?
MinatoSparkle
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That the user is weakened when there are clones out and clones are weaker than the user
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