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Naruto Revisions: High 6-A Downgrade + PS and Kurama Scaling
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This CRT was to switch out the High 6-A calc with the new 6-A one, and to scale BM and BSM Naruto as well, but that didn't really go as planned.
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It says he is superior to the jubbi his Dura logically scales to his AP based on how Chakra works
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That was never how chakra works
Juubi is a mass of chakra.
Obito is a human with chakra in his body.
Try again
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yes it is how chakra works Jutsu scales to AP which scales to dura as that Chakra is doing both attacking and defending
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Send scans of chakra being shown to defend. We currently don't use that logic
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That is just simply not the case. Do you think that Naruto could tank his own Rasengan to the face and be unharmed?
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He could tank it but not with no damage
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He got hit with the force of his own rasengan and lost kcm that isn't an argument
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I seriously don't get this at all, Juubito is stated to be stronger than the Juubi, he's said to be able to focus the power better, Sage Mode Naruto hurting him via a sneak attack that Obito didn't expect at all because he thought he was immune to all attacks is about as valid as Goku vs the Laser
Not to mention that Sage Mode technically bullied and hurt the Kyubi
Not to mention that Sage Mode technically bullied and hurt the Kyubi
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This was in Naruto's head, this doesn't count at all. Naruto in there was flying and the Gyuki was literally eating Bijuudamas.
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Where is he stated to be stronger than the Juubi?
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The story literally says Juubito's Power is more focused than the Juubi, his durability should scale above the Juubi for that very reason, he has more focus of his power and could better defend himself and amp his durability
And this was even before Obito gained full control
Here
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Where is he stated to be stronger than the Juubi?
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Literally in the image above, the gigantic thing Killer B is referring to is the Juubi and the smaller form that he is referring to is Juubito
They literally say he is even stronger and has better focus of the power
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This is false.
TSB > Juubito Chakra Arms > Hokage Barrier > Juubi TBB > TPC.
BSM Naruto's only feats consist of:
1.)Destroying the Chakra Arms.
2.)Cracking/Shattering the TSB (One Time with Minato, one time with Sasuke and finally by himself, completely shattering Obito's TSB shield via his own power with no aid).
Note: All of this was BEFORE Obito waivered so that argument holds no weight.
SM Hashirama scales over BSM Naruto and he has a feat backing up the scaling. Its called "consistency".
Edit: And note, I have never claimed it scales to Hashirama's stats. Its Ninjutsu and scales to his Ninjutsu while in SM. Not his physicals.
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The power is more focused, but he's not any stronger.
Eight-Tails never says "You're right, he is much stronger now." He only appears stronger because he's focusing the Juubi's power, not because the Juubi's power got stronger inside him.
And this is mostly to do with AP. There's nothing about him getting as durable as the Juubi, or more durable than the Juubi.
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I disagree with this whole, "It was in Naruto's head" argument. Be that as it may, chakra was still involved and being used and it is expressly noted to not be the same as when Naruto see's Kurama in the inner world. So i'm sorry but trying to just write it off as nothing is extremely faulty and doesn't consider all factors.
The biggest negation to the argument is that its Legitimate Chakra being used in the Naruto vs Kurama fight. Not some fake chakra/energy as a proxy.
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Juubito literally shatters the Sage Art Techinque that the Juubi couldn't... And that's mentioned
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i meant the first time we ever see a sussano itachi has it up with his base going blind eyes, idk how to post images on here but when sasuke 1st uses sussano he says "all the cells in my body ache is this the risk of using sussano" it manifest from the body not the eyes
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And again, Juubito scales at least to Juubi's physicals. He physically broke out of restraints from SM Hashirama and i'll bring this up again, Juubito/Six Paths Madara is no different than SPSM Naruto whose Durability and Stats scale to/above his Tailed Beasts physicals. It makes 0 sense to assert that they don't scale to or above when Naruto has shown he does with the same powerset....as them, IE, A Jinchuriki cloaked in his Tailed Beasts power with Six Paths Chakra. Its mind numbing that we're arguing this.
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The Juubi never tried shattering the Gates like Obito did. And we are still talking about his durability, right?
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The Juubi fired a TBB when pinned down, and they survived it.
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Which is a whole different topic. Them surviving the explosion means they have a durability value that can be calced. And that could be used to theoretically give you Obito's Striking Strength and Durability.
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This is ridiculous... I mean there's having a different opinion and just being flat out illogical
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It would scale to the already calced AP of the TBB.
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I don't think so, each of them is tiny in comparison to the full explosion and would each only recieve a fraction of the total energy.
But we've gone pretty far off-topic from this point. I will make a separate thread in the future to address Obito specifically so we don't have to continue talking about him here.
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There's one right on his head.
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So the calc implementation is in, who else scales to the calc
Juubito, Madara, and Might Guy?
Juubito, Madara, and Might Guy?
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Yes, every High 6-A would go down to 6-A+. What are we to do about the BM and BSM Naruto ratings?
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Doesn't BM Naruto have his own calc?
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BM x 10 = BSM
BM = 1/2 of Full Kurama
Full Kurama = Wood Golem = Madara's Susanoo ≥ Whatever feat he did to calc.
Iirc he had help with the feat
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A clone got hit, not Naruto proper. This argument is faulty because there is no real feat in the series of Naruto in any form being hit by his own jutsu. There are only 2 instances, first use of FRS against Kakuzu and his clone being destroyed by his own jutsu (Well, 3 actually. I forgot Kn6 Incomplete TBB). Note, in general, Ninjutsu AP is almost always superior to the casters physicals. This is a rule of thumb shown time and time again.
The closest we ever got to what is being asked/debated here is Naruto about to be hit by his Base Form Rasengan that Delta absorbed, but he dodged. At the end of the day, Naruto proves Juubi Jins scale above their Tailed Beasts Physicals.
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He currently scales to swatting the Bijuus TBB, and he has his combined TBB with Killer B.
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He couldn't. He was physically restrained by Hashirama's power. Hashirama even believed the same would occur with Juubito but was shocked when Juubito shattered it.
You can't say, "Juubi never tried". The entire point of the feat is to illistrate Juubito is superior to Juubi in this instance by being able to do something Juubi wasn't strong enough to do.
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Oh, that feat. That actually supports the notion. He decided to deactivate KCM. The recoil of the Rasengan didn't knock him out of it.
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can u post the scene where jubi tanking sm frs
no they have more feats
1.bsm naruto and minato rasengan crack juubito TSB shield and destroyed his chakra arms
2.naruto 9 rasangan was able damage juubito TSB shield again
3.naruto and sasuke was able to damage juubito TSB shield
4.Again naruto and sasuke's TBB and Susanoo Bow was able to damage juubito TSB shield
also dont say NE is nagate TSB dura becouse if it was true than jubito shouldnt able to block all 4 jubi TBB since jubi/jibito use NE as well
NE only nagate TSB power null as it was state by tobirama
and all feats suggest its true aswell exept one feat from sm naruto
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I didn't even think of this...o3o
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I’m just going to drop this in here:
Occam’s Razor
One of the reasons why Naruto CRT’s are a pain in the ass isn’t necessarily that it’s difficult to scale characters but because people like to overcomplicate statements or feats by questioning every letter or pixel.
Is there nuance? Yes, sometimes there is.
Is this one of those case? Not at all.
Part 1 Naruto had more complex interplay between character statements, AP, and scaling mainly because it wasn’t as “explosive” as Shippuden turned out to be near the Middle-end.
Try not to overcomplicate things fellas or we’ll be here longer than needed.
Occam’s Razor
One of the reasons why Naruto CRT’s are a pain in the ass isn’t necessarily that it’s difficult to scale characters but because people like to overcomplicate statements or feats by questioning every letter or pixel.
Is there nuance? Yes, sometimes there is.
Is this one of those case? Not at all.
Part 1 Naruto had more complex interplay between character statements, AP, and scaling mainly because it wasn’t as “explosive” as Shippuden turned out to be near the Middle-end.
Try not to overcomplicate things fellas or we’ll be here longer than needed.
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