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Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)
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Hashirama flat out said "Madara's regaining his past strength" after Madara blitzed SM Hashirama. EMS Madara is underrated
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Damn, I read through that chapter trying to find that exact statement and didn’t see it. Good job catching that.
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On one hand, yeah, but on the other they technically never swapped hands and Hashirama didn't use the Shinsusenju, so idk.
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I’ve done Madara’s keys, apart from the Juubi stuff. Now comes the fun part of this discussion: the Five Kage.
Rasa, upon seeing Gaara’s sand, stated that it was the power of Shukaku. That’s pretty blatantly showing that Gaara = Shukaku (who could draw blood from Sage Madara, as a reminder). And Gaara can block hits from several Susano’o with his sand.
You all know what A’s done. He sliced off one of Gyūki’s horns. And yes, Raiton chakra enhances cutting power. But, considering that A is completely covered in the stuff (it‘s called the Raiton Chakra Mode for a reason), that shouldn’t detract from his feats considering that all of his attacks would be like that. He also sent Madara flying with a punch.
Tsunade could crack and straight-up break Madara’s Susano’o ribcage, as well as punch through Madara‘s Wood Clone. She is also stated to be stronger than A.
Ōnoki could blast through the Susano’o with Dust Release, he stopped the first Tengai Shinsei meteor with Gaara’s help and he (albeit barely) survived the second meteor of the Tengai Shinsei.
Mei could melt Madara’s Susano’o and survive getting punched by one. She also matched one of Madara’s Katon jutsu with her Suiton.
All of the Kage survived getting smacked into the ground by the Susano’o. So, based on their feats, I believe that all of the Five Kage should be 6-C.
Rasa, upon seeing Gaara’s sand, stated that it was the power of Shukaku. That’s pretty blatantly showing that Gaara = Shukaku (who could draw blood from Sage Madara, as a reminder). And Gaara can block hits from several Susano’o with his sand.
You all know what A’s done. He sliced off one of Gyūki’s horns. And yes, Raiton chakra enhances cutting power. But, considering that A is completely covered in the stuff (it‘s called the Raiton Chakra Mode for a reason), that shouldn’t detract from his feats considering that all of his attacks would be like that. He also sent Madara flying with a punch.
Tsunade could crack and straight-up break Madara’s Susano’o ribcage, as well as punch through Madara‘s Wood Clone. She is also stated to be stronger than A.
Ōnoki could blast through the Susano’o with Dust Release, he stopped the first Tengai Shinsei meteor with Gaara’s help and he (albeit barely) survived the second meteor of the Tengai Shinsei.
Mei could melt Madara’s Susano’o and survive getting punched by one. She also matched one of Madara’s Katon jutsu with her Suiton.
All of the Kage survived getting smacked into the ground by the Susano’o. So, based on their feats, I believe that all of the Five Kage should be 6-C.
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> Rasa, upon seeing Gaara’s sand, stated that it was the power of Shukaku.
Isn't it possible that's because it is huge manipulation of sand? The one thing done uniquely by Shukaku and nobody else in the series aside from Gaara? Seems easy to mistake it for being Shukaku even if it wasn't as powerful as the Biju.
Isn't it possible that's because it is huge manipulation of sand? The one thing done uniquely by Shukaku and nobody else in the series aside from Gaara? Seems easy to mistake it for being Shukaku even if it wasn't as powerful as the Biju.
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Rasa straight up said the power of Shukaku, and considering that he knows Gaara uses sand, I don’t see why he’d immediately assume it was Shukaku just on the basis of it being a lot of sand and not the power of it, like he said. Also later in the arc, Gaara states that he’s Shukaku’s equal.
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Power can mean ability, not just power level. Manipulating sand is Shukaku's power.
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As well as Gaara’s. Which Rasa knows. So again, I don’t see why he’d assume it’s Shukaku based on nothing but it being sand.
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honestly, I think the Kage should be evaluated case to case and how consistent their track record is.
some Kage I can possibly believe scaling just based on their consistent performance like Gaara.
I'm not so sure about Mei
some Kage I can possibly believe scaling just based on their consistent performance like Gaara.
I'm not so sure about Mei
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Might be because it was a pretty huge tsunami, and the last time Rasa saw Gaara he couldn't control nearly that much sand.
I'm just saying it's not a definite that controlling a tsunami a sand = 6-C Biju power. It's also possible to calc that feat of Gaara's I'm sure.
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Mei is honestly pretty consistent, I don’t think she has any anti-feats other than fighting Zetsu, who is a Varies.
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Mei's best feats Imo seem to be either ignoring durability with Acid, countering Casual fireballs and then surviving the susanoo which I feel like could be argued PIS or madara holding back.
In contrast gaara is far more consistent and has statements to back up those feats aswell.
In contrast gaara is far more consistent and has statements to back up those feats aswell.
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@LordTracer; in terms of durability, I can grant you that, but Gaara doesn't have the AP feats to match up to it IMO.
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Well, to be fair, Madara was casual against everyone. And remember, she could also melt his Susano’o ribcage.
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Mei wasn't really struggling against Zetsu though.
And her AP is consistently able to melt Susano'o. Plus her feats against Madara are pretty clear cut.
And her AP is consistently able to melt Susano'o. Plus her feats against Madara are pretty clear cut.
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How is acid durability negation though? Also for her not to be considered consistently on that level, we need to find anti-feats for her, but as far as I know she doesn't have any.
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He uses the same sand for both offense and defense though, as stated by Deidara during the Kazekage Rescue Arc. Although if you want an actual AP feat, his sand hands were having a prolonged struggle with Madara as he tried to drag Shukaku into the Gedō Mazō. This went on long enough for Shukaku to have a flashback, so it’s not like Gaara only held it for a second. These chains were previously able to drag Gyūki to the ground, by the way.
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I just reread the chapter and she melts it with lava, not Acid my bad.
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The thing is Rasa literally thought that Gaara had transformed into full Shukaku, and Rasa himself can battle and defeat Shukaku, so Gaara is at least Shukaku level
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So, are you good with the Five Kage scaling then?
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Gaara also matched Rasa, so that's pretty clear cut.
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Yes, I think the acid was used on Sasuke iirc. I had forgotten myself, so no worries.
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wouldn't the Kage being 6-C here kinda hurt some of the scaling in the Five Kage summit ?
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Madara isn't 6-C in base.
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Not really, cause Sasuke never really did any damage to them without Susano’o or Chidori (and we already established that Raiton chakra enhances slicing/piercing ability). At worst, it would mean MS Sasuke’s Chidori and Susano’o is 6-C. But his normal physicals are still 7-A.
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How so? Sasuke didn't do anything to any of them, except Ay which was done with Amaterasu which is either durability negation or just separate AP from his usual abilities.
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Was A in V1 or V2 when Sasuke pierced him with the Chidori? Cause if it was V1, then he wouldn’t even get 6-C via Chidori, only the Susano’o.
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9 Pages already, jesus
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Sasuke wouldn't get 6-C period lol, he pierced a casual V1 Ay and did zero damage, and he only ever threatened Ay due to Amaterasu, so there's no conflict with Kage summit scaling.
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Oh, it was V1 A. Then yeah, Sasuke doesn’t scale at all.
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Arguments were presented, so debunk them. That's all I'm saying.
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