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Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)
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Ah dang it I got ninja'd
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My scan seems like it says it gave Obito a massive chakra boost and ocular powers to the point that he almost lost himself though.
Lol I think this statement is from Obito.
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They are not typical Bijuudama. They have Madara's Perfect Susano'o swords running through them.
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It could've been Madara using Susano'o Swords + Bijuudama Barrage combo to quickly destroy Hasirama's avatar.
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@Padaruyos; having a rapidly spinning blade on the Bijuudama transforms it from something like a punch to something like a buzzsaw.
Hashirama's golem can catch the Bijuudama by itself (though it is destroyed by the explosion) but with the buzzsaw sword running through it, the golems get ripped to shreds.
Hashirama's golem can catch the Bijuudama by itself (though it is destroyed by the explosion) but with the buzzsaw sword running through it, the golems get ripped to shreds.
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Oh right, after closer inspection the Bijuudama kinda looks like a Bijuudama Rasenshuriken.
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At full power he is Low 6-B IIRC.
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I really doubt Madara's Perfect Susano'o is going to remain at that rating with these new revisions.
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To be fair Shukaku is the only one of the Tailed Beasts who hasn't been seen performing a 6-C Biju Bomb.
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Well, he was the only one who didn't have an Edo Jinchūriki for Obito to control him through, so it was more circumstantial than anything imo.
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Like Damage said, it's highly unlikely that the Susano'o will remain High 6-A, so that won't be an issue anymore. They'll both likely be in a similar ballpark after all is said and done.
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Yes, it absorbs chakra and weakens them over time, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have to be physically comparable to them in order to hold them down in the first place.
Besides, here we see Bee say that the constriction's getting weaker (after Madara got momentarily incapacitated by Guy's Hirodura), and he then breaks out. He didn't say it stopped absorbing chakra, he said it got weaker. Also, Bijuu have such ludicrous amounts of chakra that they won't run out quickly even if they get drained of a large amount quickly. We've seen this when Naruto achieved KCM, taking a sizeable portion of Kurama's chakra, he still had enough chakra to create a massive TBB.
We also see it happen in the Bee vs Kisame fight when Kisame kept absorbing Bee's chakra, yet he kept transforming over and over without much hindrance. This was because Kisame had an absorption cap/limit of sorts, so unless we can find out the Wood Dragon's absorption rate and limit, we won't be able to determine how much and how fast it was draining chakra. Which only leaves us with the safest assumption, which is that the dragon was holding them down physically while it was draining them over time (which wouldn't weaken them immediately).
Also I'd like to point out that my original argument was NOT to scale the non-exploding TBB to its explosion, but rather to a Bijuu's physicals.
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Did I not put that in the Sage Mode justification? My bad.
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Jokes aside, how did Madara get High 6-A Perfect Susano'o in the first place anyway?
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Alive EMS: Multi-Continent level with Susano'o and Majestic Attire: Susano'o (Should not be weaker than his Edo form. Can combine Kurama and his Perfect Susano'o together to increase their effectiveness and damaged Hashirama's Shin Sūsenju)
Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susano'o (Tanked Kurama's Bijuudama without any damage, and Hashirama's Shinsuusenju could only partially destroy it), higher with Majestic Attire: Susano'o
Edo Rinnegan: Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susano'o (Held off Sage Mode Hashirama)
Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susano'o (Held off Sage Hashirama)
Basically, it was assumed that most of Hashirama's SM Mokuton are equal to the Deity Gates Feat.
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I'm not sure if the Deity Gates themselves should even be High 6-A if I'm being honest. It's a sealing Jutsu, so why would it have AP at all? I thought Sealing was considered hax.
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Most likely, yea.
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The chains aren’t what’s shown to be binding the Bijuu’s chakra though. It’s the thing on the end (I really don’t know what they’d be called lol) that’s stabbing into them. None of the Bijuu had those with Madara, he was just dragging them in, so the chains would still be Bijuu level. Also the chains having a lingering effect isn’t really a point against Gaara.
Well, both were equally ineffective against Madara so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I disagree immensely.
Scans on Hashirama Cells boosting physical strength?
Pre-Rinnegan Madara = Got slapped around by the Bijuu.
Post-Rinnegan Madara = One-shot all the Bijuu.
Yeah, he pretty clearly got stronger. Also later on, One-Eyed Juubidara got bodied by cloakless SPSM Naruto and easily chopped in half by Rinnegan Sasuke, but Two-Eyed Juubidara could match SPSM Naruto (with his cloak) in combat.
Also Itachi constantly told Sasuke that he’d need a Mangekyō Sharingan to be able to fight him, meaning that MS > base Sharingan, MS Izuna was relative to MS Madara, Tobirama was relative to Izuna, but EMS Madara is stronger than Tobirama. EMS Sasuke has much better feats and scaling than MS Sasuke, such as being around the same level as KCM Naruto (who we established is stronger than Sage Mode/KN6, which is stronger than Hebi Sasuke) and Edo Itachi. Obito blatantly stated that superior eyes increase the user’s chakra, since the Rinnegan had so much that he started to lose himself. Someone posted that earlier in the thread.
Ehhhhh... not always. Even when it stuck up against Sasuke, there were times where it still appeared to be down.
That’s fair, I’ll give you that one.
No, he was in base at the time. Also I’m pretty sure the site treats situations like that as AP = dura, and the character being able to harm people on that level of durability. That’s why a lot of characters have “Can fight those who can harm them” as their AP justification. I would also like to note that A doesn’t seem all that bothered about Amaterasu, the same Amaterasu that later had Gyūki screaming in pain.
Yeah, like I said, you’d have a completely fair point if it was made out of metal or something. But we can’t really quantify melting chakra lol.
Yeah, but that’s not him being equal to a Bijuudama, it’s Naruto being superior to five Bijuudama.
That was my bad, I didn’t see that you said it’s wasn’t just holding him down.
Bijuu are big masses of chakra, and Hashirama wasn’t holding Kurama for that long. He wouldn’t have been massively weakened.
Hashirama didn’t protect the head though? He protected himself inside the head. The Wood Golem’s head just straight-up tanked the explosion.
Uh, no. Hashirama was not in Sage Mode at that point. The Five Layer Rashomon was placed while Hashirama was in base. So your argument kinda crumbles at that point. Also you didn’t address how Hashirama’s statue no-sold the explosion of a Bijuudama yet the Bijuudama without exploding (and without a Susano’o blade shoved in them) were destroying the True Several Thousand Hands.
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I mean even then, it's just something he can summon, so it really has no relation to his Mokuton techniques.
Wouldn't it just be treated akin to something like a Summoning jutsu or Kushina's chains?
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Well, if it was treated like Kushina’s chains, he’d still get an AP rating for that. It’d just be separate from his physicals stats.
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Yeah, that's fine of course. The potency of the Gates should still be mentioned in his profile, but I don't think it should have any bearing on his Mokuton's AP.
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https://kiyoitsukikage.tumblr.com/image/147352847204 The Deity Gates is stated to imbue the targets with natural energy to immobilize the targets. So while the gates slamming the Juubi to the ground might be an AP feat, the act of keeping the Juubi immobilized likely isn't an AP feat.
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That apparently only applies to the "Seal Head" that was restraining the Juubi's head. The only ones holding down his tails seem to just be physically holding him in place.
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We came to a consensus that CS2 is 10 times stronger than CS1. But do we have proof that Sharingan, MS, EMS grants its user a massive chakra boost and drastically increases their physical stats or that is just an assumption? For example, Taka Sasuke did absolutely zero damage to Bee with a kick and if he was having his MS activated, would that kick did more damage?
Edit: Taka Sasuke.
Edit: Taka Sasuke.
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