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Downgrading Hunter X Hunter | Flawed Calculations and More

Bimbitesthedust said:
We could try to message CGM's to see their input on this thread

also is there a general discussion thread for this verse?
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as far as I know there is no general discussion thread of the verse however if you can contact some CGM who is active and knows about hxh
 
additionally I have posted this thread into a CRT revision promotions thread so we may have a better shot at getting CGM's into this thread
 
Hey on the topic of downgrading HXH

does anyone know what kind of UES nen falls under?

because I don't think in cases like Youpi's rage blast should be scaled to his physicals aswell due to it needing to be charged
 
Bimbitesthedust said:
Hey on the topic of downgrading HXH

does anyone know what kind of UES nen falls under?

because I don't think in cases like Youpi's rage blast should be scaled to his physicals aswell due to it needing to be charged
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Its already been discussed that Youpi's rage blast wont be scaling to his physicals. This is just not the thread for that downgrade.
 
Machmatej said:
Can I ask why? I'm not in the loop.
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Long story short, there are many, many instances in the series of Hatsu being significantly above the user's physicals and even above their Ko, which concentrates all of their aura in one body part for 10x the physical force. Because of that, alongside general established rules or conditions and limitations enhancing the aura output of any technique that makes use of them, the only Hatsu in the manga that can accurately be scaled to physicals are the ones which demonstrate explicitly that they're not far above them (Killua's Thunderbolt, for example). Some very basic techniques like Big Bang Impact can potentially be scaled to Ko and thus 1/10th of the user's physicals but Rage Blast is not an example of such.
 
Yasuda_144 said:
Long story short, there are many, many instances in the series of Hatsu being significantly above the user's physicals and even above their Ko, which concentrates all of their aura in one body part for 10x the physical force. Because of that, alongside general established rules or conditions and limitations enhancing the aura output of any technique that makes use of them, the only Hatsu in the manga that can accurately be scaled to physicals are the ones which demonstrate explicitly that they're not far above them (Killua's Thunderbolt, for example). Some very basic techniques like Big Bang Impact can potentially be scaled to Ko and thus 1/10th of the user's physicals but Rage Blast is not an example of such.
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I see. So how would this affect the scaling? Do Youpi's physicals go down to City Block level or something?
 
Machmatej said:
I see. So how would this affect the scaling? Do Youpi's physicals go down to City Block level or something?
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He has a 10x stronger statement referring to everyone he saw at the palace which could apply to his physicals. We also have a direct statement of one of his buffed up punches being enough to kill Knuckle and bypass all his interest. Factoring in that he activated the ability at the 3 second mark and he took one hit after the first interest period resetting it to 322, we can calculate how much interest he has at the 5 minute mark. 5 minutes is 30 times 10 seconds, minus 1 for the first hit he took after interest had accrued and we're left with 29x compounded interest. 29x compounded at 10% each time equals about 5108 aura. But were not done yet. Knuckle also stated that this would for sure kill him unlike Gon's Ja Jan Ken which would have "Beaten" Knuckle. That means we can go ahead and add the aura in Gon's Ja Jan Ken to the total value as well since it would have overcome the aura debt and for sure killed Knuckle. Gon's Ja Jan Ken was stated to be over 2000 aura so adding that to the interest means Youpi's attack was more than 7108 aura. This can be directly scaled to a rating since we know that Knuckle punching his hardest only has an AAP of 310 which puts Youpi's strongest attacks around 23x the value Knuckle tier fighters scale to. Of course this would only apply to his shapeshifting amplified attacks. His normal AP would just be 10x what Knuckle tiers scale to.
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
Hows this coming? I honestly think we should just delete the verse and start from scratch.
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I would rather just make a massive revision overall to the verse w different parts (one for stats, one for energy system classification, etc)

I have dmed OP regarding the two CRT's but I can start with one for Nen classification since it kinda is using UES stuff when it isnt UES
 
Lilybitdun said:
That seems a bit extreme
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Bimbitesthedust said:
I would rather just make a massive revision overall to the verse w different parts (one for stats, one for energy system classification, etc)

I have dmed OP regarding the two CRT's but I can start with one for Nen classification since it kinda is using UES stuff when it isnt UES
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I should have clarified. I meant delete all non-essential profiles so we can focus on building up a backbone before we reintroduce them. I was thinking of just leaving gon and killua's profiles and the verse page so we have much less content we have to modify for every change that gets made. As it stands most profiles are horribly outdated, besides the main characters, and have no scans or references. Adding on the ap and speed are all likely going to change, and I feel that trimming down the amount of material we need to modify is necessary. Additionally, we would likely have to remake the nen page as well, since it's ripped straight from the hxh wiki and lacks many of the powers and abilities nen grants. It also doesnt expand on key abilities such as nen crush, which has been a huge problem in a vs battles setting because improper understanding of it leads people to believe hxh characters just win by default without diving into the specifics of how it works and operates in the context of each character.
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
I should have clarified. I meant delete all non-essential profiles so we can focus on building up a backbone before we reintroduce them. I was thinking of just leaving gon and killua's profiles and the verse page so we have much less content we have to modify for every change that gets made. As it stands most profiles are horribly outdated, besides the main characters, and have no scans or references. Adding on the ap and speed are all likely going to change, and I feel that trimming down the amount of material we need to modify is necessary. Additionally, we would likely have to remake the nen page as well, since it's ripped straight from the hxh wiki and lacks many of the powers and abilities nen grants. It also doesnt expand on key abilities such as nen crush, which has been a huge problem in a vs battles setting because improper understanding of it leads people to believe hxh characters just win by default without diving into the specifics of how it works and operates in the context of each character.
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Shouldn't this be Calc Group Discussion?
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I think we should bring this into calc group discussions and additionally plan more in general discussion so that we can discuss
 
I actually think what would be best would be creating a post on the wiki page collaborations section asking for assistance in cleaning the verse up. This is quite a large project after all, and I don't feel a discussion page adequately fits what exactly we're trying to do. Additionally, all the existing discussion pages are dead as hell and have multiple pages of bloat. I feel a HxH verse revival thread in the collaborations page is the best thing we can do right now to unify our efforts towards updating and fixing this verse.
 
FuriousFieryFist said:
I actually think what would be best would be creating a post on the wiki page collaborations section asking for assistance in cleaning the verse up. This is quite a large project after all, and I don't feel a discussion page adequately fits what exactly we're trying to do. Additionally, all the existing discussion pages are dead as hell and have multiple pages of bloat. I feel a HxH verse revival thread in the collaborations page is the best thing we can do right now to unify our efforts towards updating and fixing this verse.
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that can work aswell
 
I can also make a sandbox to start helping stuff regarding calcs including ones that might need to be recalc or ones that cant be used
 
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