Naruto Part II Revisions (Multipliers/Calculations)

[Jvando]

@Damage3245 there is still rain over the lake area which makes sense considering it it still part of the territory of Amegakure and would be an easy entry point for shinobi if not covered.

As for the KE, considering not only the fact that the clouds were moved quickly based on the speed I calculated, they were also created from Nagato’s chakra meaning he would easily have control over them and could move them as he liked. Furthermore, on the cloud creation page itself it says:

1. Condensation, for creation, or vaporization, for destruction, of clouds. This should be used if clouds are created or destroyed, by condensing / vaporizing the water that makes up the cloud. If the cloud creation includes the creation of great amounts of natural winds, in other words storms, CAPE should be used instead.

considering they are created by Pain’s chakra, and more than likely moved because of it, I decided to go with KE.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I would prefer we actually reach a consensus instead of starting from square one, but whatever.

we can still sum up the stuff everyone mostly agrees with in the OP

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

There are a crap ton of calcs that need to be added.

 

[Omimi]

Naruto did use lots of clones to train using FRS. Isn't that equivalent to like months or even years of training? So his strength should increase significantly IMO.

kakashi state equivalent to 20 years of training

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I still think the issue is Naruto only having 1 base key but okay.

 

[KingTempest]

@Shadowbokunohero I'll respond after we get this stuff done, because now I'm just typing walls of text while we don't even have the base scaling down for Beginning of Shippuden.

Why wouldn’t its dura be greater than base Madara’s? Extra dura is kinda the point of the Susano’o.

Madara's perfect Susanoo rivaled the Wood Golem which is stated in databooks to be equal to Kurama.
His humanoid Susanoo (not perfect) had at least a 10x amp (likely much higher) from Sage Mode.
Naruto's Bijuu mode (half of Kurama) without Sage Mode, jumped on it and smashed it to oblivion with 1 tail, then when all 9 of them smash it, Madara's body comes out perfectly fine except a perfectly cut arm (Idky it wasn't smashed or anything, it looks like a prosthetic just fell off) and the technique from Shukaku that put holes in his body. But don't worry about it now, we'll focus on War Arc when we get there.

@Wrath_Of_Itachi @LordTracer @Damage3245 @UchihaSlayer96 @M3X @Padaruyos @Shadowbokunohero @Metalija should we make new threads specifically for certain arcs?

 

[M3X_2.0]

I don't. 1 base key for me is enough.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@KingTempest we would have to do it section by section, i don't want to write walls of text.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I still think the issue is Naruto only having 1 base key but okay.

I agree, I think he should have at least one more.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We should @KingTempest. I told them to do that 2 or 3 pages of comments ago, but for some reason, they ignored.

 

[LordTracer]

Alright, let’s just make a new thread summarizing the stuff in here and go from there.

 

[KingTempest]

Agreed. Naruto gains 1 technique in his base throughout the entire show. All his training afterwards was specifically for new modes. Unless you mean EOS Base Naruto, who's regular rasengan destroyed the VOTE, I don't agree that he should get a new key.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I don't think a thread per arc but let's say from the first arc up until before Pain's Invasion.

 

[LordTracer]

I dont think a thread per arc but lets from the first arc up until before Pain's Invasion.

That’s what I was thinking. One thread for Pre-Pain, another for Pain and Five Kage Summit, and then another for War Arc.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Let's work with 2/3 arcs per thread. Kazekage Rescue, Immortal Arc (Kakuzu and Hidan) and finally Pain Arc.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

when the scaling is so confusing we had to restart after 18 pages.
Lmao

 

[KingTempest]

Alright.

1. Kazekage Rescue Mission through Fated Battle Between Brothers
2. Pain's Assault (Arc) and Five Kage Summit (Arc)
3. Fourth Shinobi World War: Countdown, Fourth Shinobi World War: Confrontation, and Fourth Shinobi World War: Climax
4. Birth of the Ten-Tails' Jinchūriki and Kaguya Ōtsutsuki Strikes

These are the Arcs with huge changes in Keys. The only change in the first big grouping is Naruto's rasenshuriken. Is this good?

 

[Damage3245]

when the scaling is so confusing we had to restart after 18 pages.
Lmao

Naruto is a huge verse. When we re-did all of the scaling and ratings for One Piece that took like 9 threads.

 

[LordTracer]

Alright.

1. Kazekage Rescue Mission through Fated Battle Between Brothers
2. Pain's Assault (Arc) and Five Kage Summit (Arc)
3. Fourth Shinobi World War: Countdown, Fourth Shinobi World War: Confrontation, and Fourth Shinobi World War: Climax
4. Birth of the Ten-Tails' Jinchūriki and Kaguya Ōtsutsuki Strikes

These are the Arcs with huge changes in Keys. The only change in the first big grouping is Naruto's rasenshuriken. Is this good?

Works for me.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Alright.

1. Kazekage Rescue Mission through Fated Battle Between Brothers
2. Pain's Assault (Arc) and Five Kage Summit (Arc)
3. Fourth Shinobi World War: Countdown, Fourth Shinobi World War: Confrontation, and Fourth Shinobi World War: Climax
4. Birth of the Ten-Tails' Jinchūriki and Kaguya Ōtsutsuki Strikes

These are the Arcs with huge changes in Keys. The only change in the first big grouping is Naruto's rasenshuriken. Is this good?

Sounds good to me as well.

 

[Damage3245]

Instead of deciding first how many keys Naruto should have and if he should only have one base key, we should look at what ratings and scaling we get first - then judge what changes are big enough to warrant keys / new keys.

Even if we end up with too many keys, it is possible to just split the profile up like we've already done.

 

[Metalija]

Lets do it

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Instead of deciding first how many keys Naruto should have and if he should only have one base key, we should look at what ratings and scaling we get first - then judge what changes are big enough to warrant keys / new keys.

Even if we end up with too many keys, it is possible to just split the profile up like we've already done.

good idea. massive oversight on our part until now lmao.

 

[KingTempest]

Instead of deciding first how many keys Naruto should have and if he should only have one base key, we should look at what ratings and scaling we get first - then judge what changes are big enough to warrant keys / new keys.

Even if we end up with too many keys, it is possible to just split the profile up like we've already done.

I second this. Naruto doesn't have that many feats in base, so

1. We need to compile the list of worthy feats and calcs Base Naruto has in each arc
2. Discuss what keys should be made for it, which arcs should get combined feats
3. Notable techniques, weaknesses, and abilities he has.
And that's it. Base Naruto isn't really used except BoS, so I say we should get the big arcs ones first then worry about base Naruto later.

 

[Metalija]

Instead of deciding first how many keys Naruto should have and if he should only have one base key, we should look at what ratings and scaling we get first - then judge what changes are big enough to warrant keys / new keys.

Even if we end up with too many keys, it is possible to just split the profile up like we've already done.

I third this.

 

[KingTempest]

Should this thread be closed so we can start the Kazekage Rescue Mission through Fated Battle Between Brothers arcs? I can make the CRT for it now if you guys need someone to.

 

[LordTracer]

Sure, go ahead.

 

[Damage3245]

Once the new CRT has been posted, I'll close this thread.

New CRT is here: https://vsbattles.com/threads/narut...on-fated-battle-between-brothers-arcs.108783/