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Self sustance, sonic doesn't need to breathA character with much inferior AP but higher LS could choke by strangling leading to incap.
But higher LS can't be used to damage in terms of crushing/smashing unless they have similar AP
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Self sustance, sonic doesn't need to breathA character with much inferior AP but higher LS could choke by strangling leading to incap.
But higher LS can't be used to damage in terms of crushing/smashing unless they have similar AP
Common strangulation WA character with much inferior AP but higher LS could choke by strangling leading to incap.
Proof?Sonic also did nothing, he just saw a threat, and boom just quintilions of time stronger
Common strangulation W
Proof?
11:55 sonic was only high 4-C moments before tanking an attack from the 4-A emerl
Well but uh well you see Satan was actually missing his uh concept and information and uh nerd emoji-Sonic also grew in strength by sitting handcuffed in a cell for 6 months, and grew stronger while fighting Infinite to drop the notorious "I get stronger every second" line. He has both passive and reactive AD.
Yeah, but still the timeframe is too big and the ammount of growth is too small in comparison to sonic'sThanks for the evidence, but I'm pretty sure that's still being prompted by an enemy attacking him, making him grow; Satan/Mori don't need to be faced with an enemy to get stronger, they just do it by sitting around and being there.
I deleted my comment because I was just gonna respond later but you caught meWell but uh well you see Satan was actually missing his uh concept and information and uh nerd emoji-
In all seriousness, not really feeling like arguing to much on it, so let's continue with the mindset their "roughly" equal in this department to save trouble.
Ah, got it. Strangulation will definitely leave Sonic with enough time to activate any series of hax he has if Mori goes that route, it seems like the slowest killing method thing he could do here.A character with much inferior AP but higher LS could choke by strangling leading to incap.
But higher LS can't be used to damage in terms of crushing/smashing unless they have similar AP
The amount of growth isn't incomparable at all lmao.Yeah, but still the timeframe is too big and the ammount of growth is too small in comparison to sonic's
He wouldn't opt for strangulation (or any technique that puts him to close to Sonic) because he'll know via his Info Analysis that Sonic has hax that could change the game, and IC he's shown to be able to play the ranged game if he needs to.Ah, got it. Strangulation will definitely leave Sonic with enough time to activate any series of hax he has if Mori goes that route, it seems like the slowest killing method thing he could do here.
See the time part of my commentThe amount of growth isn't incomparable at all lmao.
I literally just calculated it exactly, the ammount of growth is 717,786,690,000,000 times, which isn't at all incomparably small in comparison to "quintillions" times of growth.
Valid point.See the time part of my comment
What's the range on Chaos Emerald BFR (as in cosmology range if relevant and how close Sonic needs to be), by the way? I don't think it'll be a factor considering Mori can summon other Moris to his universe (and so should be able to do vice versa I think) but I'm just curious.Ah, got it. Strangulation will definitely leave Sonic with enough time to activate any series of hax he has if Mori goes that route, it seems like the slowest killing method thing he could do here.
I'm late to this, and don't plan to comment much, but this is wrong. I thought it was weird, but apparently a Lifting Strength difference isn't enough to crush someone with PK or any other method. You need LS and AP. So unless Mori had an AP advantage, they couldn't crush Sonic as counter intuitive as that sounds....no? To crush with TK/LS, you need an LS advantage. Multi-Stellar vs Class M. Sonic is ******* dying if Mori catches him in that, no ifs or buts.
And last thing, just to not leave this unanswered. If the possibly rating for the cosmology is accepted, BFR has 2-A range. If it's not accepted for this match (Since OP can restrict it, albeit that feels cheap), it has 2-B range scaling off a pretty stacked countless universe cosmology. Tho I do plan to at some point upgrade the range to possibly Low-Complex Multi (Just Range, don't worry fellow Sonic fans).Valid point.
What's the range on Chaos Emerald BFR (as in cosmology range if relevant and how close Sonic needs to be), by the way? I don't think it'll be a factor considering Mori can summon other Moris to his universe (and so should be able to do vice versa I think) but I'm just curious.
And for real last thing. The Sonic Battle feat is only the second biggest AD jump from Sonic. The biggest one is actually Classic Sonic jumping up to Generations Sonic (Who's several times above the Multi-Solar value on the Final Egg Blaster page) instantly by just being in his presence (In both AP and Speed. The speed jump might actually be more impressive tho since he went from FTL to MFTL+ scaling above a feat involving crossing the universe in a very small timeframe).Took a sec to calculate Sonic's growth, and retracting my statement that it's incomparable, Sonic has Growth like 6 orders of magnitudes better than Mori, so yeah lel.
I kept thinking of more things to add. Don't point out my incompetence, I'm fragileStop multi-posting. Formulate all your responses into one post.
So Chaos Control is a pretty big plus in Sonic's favour considering it's an easy to use move that he's smart enough to bust out if he can't actually beat Mori in H2H combat.And last thing, just to not leave this unanswered. If the possibly rating for the cosmology is accepted, BFR has 2-A range. If it's not accepted for this match (Since OP can restrict it, albeit that feels cheap), it has 2-B range scaling off a pretty stacked countless universe cosmology. Tho I do plan to at some point upgrade the range to possibly Low-Complex Multi (Just Range, don't worry fellow Sonic fans).
I don't think this Mori has Perfect Circle, actually. But I've counted your vote anyway.Yeah I'm pretty sure Mori can use Perfect Circle to absorb the Chaos Emeralds and turn them to nothing.
He seems to have more win conditions here.
Should I remove your vote entirely or are you still of the belief that he has more wincons in general?Oh wait this isn't Nirvana Mori.
I take that back.
Regarding this, the Emeralds have a consciousness of their own. If someone attempts to use/absorb/destroy the Emeralds if they don't want to be, they emit 2-B to 2-A energy to repel whatever is attempting it. I don't think absorption would go too well.Yeah I'm pretty sure Mori can use Perfect Circle to absorb the Chaos Emeralds and turn them to nothing.
He seems to have more win conditions here.
Ah, alrightThis isn't God of Prophecy Mori, he doesn't have Jin Hoechook Perfect Circle so he can't absorb anything. Ovens just misread keys.
One of the Extreme Duplication Moris can absorb things, but your point stands regardless.This isn't God of Prophecy Mori, he doesn't have Jin Hoechook Perfect Circle so he can't absorb anything. Ovens just misread keys.
Counted.Its ironic how Sonic win this match up in base form but not in Super Low 2-C form lol
I vote Sonic, superior AP and better wincons
When Sonic and Shadow fight, Sonic he uses it to push his backSonic doesn't use CC as a go-to move, right? While I'm not super knowledgeable I only know of SA2 Sonic using it with the Fake Emerald and even then it was to match Shadow.
Sonic also uses it to teleport from a capsule he was trapped in during SA2, as well as fight Shadow. He also uses it to return the ARK back to its placeSonic doesn't use CC as a go-to move, right? While I'm not super knowledgeable I only know of SA2 Sonic using it with the Fake Emerald and even then it was to match Shadow.
Exactly, Sonic FRASonic also uses it to teleport from a capsule he was trapped in during SA2, as well as fight Shadow. He also uses it to return the ARK back to its place
You've already voted based on other reasons, lol.Exactly, Sonic FRA
Just reafirm (?You've already voted based on other reasons, lol.
I was more asking to see if therebwere explicit examples of him using it in a fight against someone who DOESN'T have an Emerald too. Mori still has some valid wincons like absorption or paralysis or dura-negging vibrations.