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Monkey D. Luffy() vs Kurosaki Ichigo(7) vs Uzamaki Naruto(2) inc(1)

Ichigo should take this handily

Luffy is only baseline country level with his strongest attacks

Naruto isn't nearly haxed enough at this point to make up for the AP

Ichigo >Kenpachi

who is slightly above baseline country level with a casual swing

Ichigo has the mobility advantage via air walking

Ichigo spams Getsuga Tensho GG
 
But naruto can litera'lly make 2000 clones and spame attacks that go up to multicontinental levels in strength.
 
After reading all the reason i'd have to go with Ichigo for the speed advantage, air-walk, casually above country level and can spam Getsuga Tensho at that...i vote Ichigo
 
vote added. but in Naruto and luffy's defence, spamming the one getsuga could be his downfall since he only realise on the one technique. the more he uses it, the more would leave Naruto and luffy would see through his actions and counter since they're both battle geniuses and outsmart him. and also they have precognition. Naruto with emotion sensory and luffy with the same + future sight/ grief ultra instincts. he'll have to use his getsuga in effective ways to catch them off guard.
 
Yoh Asakura8 said:
vote added. but in Naruto and luffy's defence, spamming the one getsuga could be his downfall since he only realise on the one technique. the more he uses it, the more would leave Naruto and luffy would see through his actions and counter since they're both battle geniuses and outsmart him. and also they have precognition. Naruto with emotion sensory and luffy with the same + future sight/ grief ultra instincts. he'll have to use his getsuga in effective ways to catch them off guard.
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One Casual Getsuga tensho can one shot Luffy and im pretty sure 10 or more will take out Naruto
 
Naruto and Luffy are in the Mach 2000 to 3000 range

this Ichigo is somewhat comparable to ichibe who is Mach 4000+

His speed alone counters their Precognition
 
luffy holds the highest endurance here. plus ichigo hasn't been shown to fight on par with those with precog has he?
 
doesn't matter when Ichigo is faster..it evens out

also Luffy's endurance doesn't matter when Ichigo has the Capacity to slice him in half before he activates anything meaningful

Luffy isnt going to pull out his strongest attack right off the bat.

Naruto can actually stay in the fight for a while..he has country level durability and healing but he cant really harm Ichigo either.. so its only a matter of time before Ichigo Grinds Naruto down with constant country level attacks as they both have acomparable stamina
 
His speed alone combined with Shunpo makes their precog irrelevant

Plus doesn't Naruto and Luffy both have time limits in Chakra Mode/Gear 4th respectively? Ichigo doesn't have that problem.
 
ichigo is mach 3995 scaled from ichiei, Naruto and luffy are 2000-3000 range, precog increases their reaction speed by a large amount. ichigo had trouble dealing with people with precog. (juha)
 
he sees all different legitimate alternative futures. if someone had precog to change the ongoing future/change the future, he could see it playing out in a different future. luffy is seeing the legitimate future on par or under katakuri.
 
A. He can't see that far into the future and it's a short period

B. That doesn't stop Ichigo from Blitzing with the speed difference
 
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I go with ichigo, for the reasons of Shadow and also for its accelerated development, it will become stronger during the fight ..
 
Ichigo's scaling far above Mach 1059. Ichibei's feat was already contended and addressed in the thread where their Relativistic rating was downgraded.

Though it was never removed. But I feel like Bleach is Sub-Relativistic at least.
 
honestly with the wildcard like nature of narutos and luffys fighting styles imma say inconclusive if Naruto and ichigo single out luffy first id say ichi takes it, if either Naruto or ichigo fall first I could see luffy able to finish off the weakend remaining opponent so imma say inconclusive this is a who falls first scenario
 
Um...KCM Naruto Has At Least Mach 3000+ Reaction Speed Scaling from Ay.

Now, BM is faster. How much faster is unquantifiable, but...BM is more than a 5x boost at least from KCM. That's not to say all of his stats are 5x greater, but it's just something to note.

Basically, Ichigo doesn't have a speed advantage over BM Naruto.
 
Gear 4 snake man attacks appear to just continue to increase in speed also reaction speed is sub relativistic not that it really matters here since reaction speed does not mean you can move faster than your actual speed just means if you aim dodge or precog you can use that reaction speed to start moving earlier not actually move any faster i.e. you can see faster than you can move
 
like bound man triples power, snakeman triples speed. also his attacks speed up. ichigo would get hit since he would have no idea that the attack keeps coming, and it's likely to hit Naruto since it did hit katakuri who's precognition is better than naruto's. snake man is leopard kung fu. just incase u didn.t know, here's the link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_Kung_Fu (nothing big)
 
There are 4 votes for Naruto how is it I: 5 L: 0 N: 1

and also certain votes should not be counted "Speed advantage", "AP advantage", "Endurance" Like first Luffy has the most endurance here although both Naruto annd Ichigo have one shot manuvers Ichigos highest speed calc is At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Comparable to Aize, attacked Yhwach before he could successfully counter in his key and Naruto "Massively Hypersonic+ (Swatted aside several Bijuudamas, which can travel across seas in seconds. Blocked the Juubi's bijuu bomb that can travel across countries in moments, superior to the Hachibi who can react to and dodge it. Far superior to his previous states) | " In this key the calc here is "who is faster though" well number one yes I agree Ichigo is faster but this isnt a speed blitz and is increadable why those votes are being counted then... Pre cog giving him reactions to equal out speed so if you take away the speed blitz votes then you know that this is just a thread that will be ruined in Ichigos and Luffys blood
 
Just want to point out that one of Naruto's bijuu bombs was able to counter 8 other bijuu bombs with ease.

And numerous times throughout the war he would look like a "blur" because he was moving so fast while redirecting bijuu bombs at the same time.

https://m.imgur.com/RpmTk3G

Are we sure that's only massively hypersonic?

For him to redirect five bijuu bombs that were pretty far away from each other. And each bijuu bomb has to be at least massively hypersonic.
 
the votes for ichigo were for shadows reasons. some are valid and some aren't like

his speed alone counters their precog, Naruto can't harm him and sliing luffy up before he activates anything.


"Ichigo should take this handily Luffy is only baseline country level with his strongest attacks Naruto isn't nearly haxed enough at this point to make up for the AP Ichigo >Kenpachi who is slightly above baseline country level with a casual swing Ichigo has the mobility advantage via air walking Ichigo spams Getsuga Tensho GG

reply to #88 Naruto and Luffy are in the Mach 2000 to 3000 range this Ichigo is somewhat comparable to ichibe who is Mach 4000+ His speed alone counters their Precognition


doesn't matter when Ichigo is faster..it evens out also Luffy's endurance doesn't matter when Ichigo has the Capacity to slice him in half before he activates anything meaningful Luffy isnt going to pull out his strongest attack right off the bat. Naruto can actually stay in the fight for a while..he has country level durability and healing but he cant really harm Ichigo either.. so its only a matter of time before Ichigo Grinds Naruto down with constant country level attacks as they both have acomparable stamina"


would also like to add that bm Naruto doesn't have a timelimit.
 
doesn't matter when Ichigo is faster..it evens out also Luffy's endurance doesn't matter when Ichigo has the Capacity to slice him in half before he activates anything meaningful Luffy isnt going to pull out his strongest attack right off the bat. Naruto can actually stay in the fight for a while..he has country level durability and healing but he cant really harm Ichigo either.. so its only a matter of time before Ichigo Grinds Naruto down with constant country level attacks as they both have acomparable stamina"


would also like to add that bm Naruto doesn't have a timelimit.

^ what does this mean?
 
Kurama said that he only had 5 mins to stay fully synchronized with Naruto in Bijuu Mode as opposed to KCM

Simply because they're all within MHS+ doesn't mean their precog would be able to have them easily keep up with him, especially with a near x2 advantage and even if it did, they still have to deal woth his Durability which Luffy would have to constantly launch his strongest attacks at Ichigo and Naruto would have to attempt A TBB spam, both which wouldn't be able to do very much

In their 6-B keys Ichigo has the overall Physical advantage and seeing as how the others have no way to make up this difference the votes for him are completely valid
 
if you have a thread where the form you picked him to start out as has limited time, then there's no time limit for said character.

1 they're near the speed of ichigo which makes him a little faster. 2 precog equalises it.


having only a physical advantage doesn't mean you win the fight.
 
Actually if the character is a primarily physical fighter and the other has a phyisical advantage he does win the fight.

Luffy has nothing he can spam energy based wise so fighting Ichigo wouldn't be smart.
 
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