DC Crisis Cosmology: Update — Source & Great Darkness

[Elizio33]

I really don't understand why some people are stuck with the idea that The Overvoid is the God of the DCU when it was retconned.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

If you're talking about the Source, it was the entitiy itself.

I assume this part is responding to my part about the Presence. If that were the case it specifically only mentions the Presence in the guidebook as Omniverse supreme being.

You said the Source isn't the Life Entity and claimed that the Source is always meant to be the Light. Now, you're backtracking saying the Life Entity is the Light of Creation? Make up your mind, we literally agreed due to recent information that the Life Entity isn't the Source nor the Light.

It did split so there's that.

In the scan. Self-manifest has one meaning.

You said the same thing.

I've already provided it's lesser manifestation, due to plane of existences nature.

So, you technically agree Source = Presence.

Life entity was created by Source, born from God's wave which is part of Source. The one who said "Let there be light " is Source. Life entity was always been Light of creation and Source also does. Who told you that, " only, one light of creation must exist "???.

You are making head-canons again, Morrison applied that because the one that we saw in Death of the new gods is just lesser manifestation. You don't have any evidence about that Source being Source itself.

I'd like u to prove, because it never says " it manifested itself "

Because it's the definition of Great Darkness. Narrative said nothing like you did.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I've already provided it's lesser manifestation, due to plane of existences nature.

Manifestation into lower reality doesn't mean its not the being itself. I’ve already said it can be in two places at once.

So, you technically agree Source = Presence.

I've made it clear an aspect of the Presence is the Source itself. However, the Presence in his purest form is beyond the Source.

Life entity was created by Source, born from God's wave which is part of Source. The one who said "Let there be light " is Source. Life entity was always been Light of creation and Source also does. Who told you that, " only, one light of creation must exist "???.

The Source is the Light. That was literally confirmed in Flash.

The scale in which the Light of Creation is described is not matched by the Life Entity. This is at least on par with the Darkness itself which exist beyond the Multiverse and is beyond even the Hands. The Life Entity scales nowhere near the full Totality, much less the creator of the Hands species.

You are making head-canons again, Morrison applied that because the one that we saw in Death of the new gods is just lesser manifestation. You don't have any evidence about that Source being Source itself.

No? You literally don't have proof of that. In the end, Yin and Yang merged together is oneness so that's something that speaks for non-duality, but nothing that there's a non-dual Source and a dual Source, its just the Source.

I'd like u to prove, because it never says " it manifested itself "

Self-manifest is manifesting oneself. That's what that means.

Because it's the definition of Great Darkness. Narrative said nothing like you did.

Yeah, and it doesn't start away from the meaning.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Manifestation into lower reality doesn't mean its not the being itself. I’ve already said it can be in two places at once.

I've made it clear an aspect of the Presence is the Source itself. However, the Presence in his purest form is beyond the Source.

The Source is the Light. That was literally confirmed in Flash.

The scale in which the Light of Creation is described is not matched by the Life Entity. This is at least on par with the Darkness itself which exist beyond the Multiverse and is beyond even the Hands. The Life Entity scales nowhere near the full Totality, much less the creator of the Hands species.

No? You literally don't have proof of that. In the end, Yin and Yang merged together is oneness so that's something that speaks for non-duality, but nothing that there's a non-dual Source and a dual Source, its just the Source.

Self-manifest is manifesting oneself. That's what that means.

Yeah, and it doesn't start away from the meaning.

okay so, you are in my point. So, you agree that it's lesser manifestation? Yea it can be two places at once because it's lesser manifestation.

There's no specific evidence about that, Source and Presence shared same position, I've already proved all of you guy interpretations are directly fitted with Source's position.

So, Life entity is

" not match " or similar claims of yours doesn't make it canon, Storyline already suggested that Life entity is the Light and Presence brought Life entity but not Source cuz Presence itself is Source.

Yes? But lesser aspect of it. It seems like you are in my point.

So, it's exactly same with Source and Death of the new gods Source.

So, you are making ur own head-canons technically.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

okay so, you are in my point. So, you agree that it's lesser manifestation? Yea it can be two places at once because it's lesser manifestation.

No? I said being in two places is possible due to Omnipresence. A manifestation of itself is itself especially when the story didn't diciate to being “lesser” or weaker.

There's no specific evidence about that, Source and Presence shared same position, I've already proved all of you guy interpretations are directly fitted with Source's position.

The scan that they both are mentioned
and featured in states that they are at least in the same position of being the “source” of energy for the Hands.

So, Life entity is

No its not. Life Entity had not been mentioned in anything related to the Light of Creation which was a concept made during Dark Crisis. It doesn't even embody the whole emotional spectrum which is just one of the energies that makes up the Totality. Here we go again with you using old pieces of information to determine things.

" not match " or similar claims of yours doesn't make it canon, Storyline already suggested that Life entity is the Light and Presence brought Life entity but not Source cuz Presence itself is Source.

The Source is the Light as of the most recent information, not the Life Entity.

Yes? But lesser aspect of it. It seems like you are in my point.

No? When he merged he unified himself as one again like he always was. So there's no separate Source somewhere else.

So, it's exactly same with Source and Death of the new gods Source.

Not really. The Source was limited to his lighter form when the Source Wall was up which was never mentioned in Death Metal as it eternally stays put in one position.

So, you are making ur own head-canons technically.

Nope, that's literally what it means. You not being able to determine what the term means is a problem of your own, not mine.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

I really don't understand why some people are stuck with the idea that The Overvoid is the God of the DCU when it was retconned.

Misconception lol. I already provided multiple things about Overvoid is light nor Source.

 

[Elizio33]

Misconception lol. I already provided multiple things about Overvoid is light nor Source.

The comics has clearly told us that The Source is The Light and JLI has clearly described The Overvoid as The Light as well. There is no misconceptions.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

No? I said being in two places is possible due to Omnipresence. A manifestation of itself is itself especially when the story didn't diciate to being “lesser” or weaker.

The scan that they both are mentioned
and featured in states that they are at least in the same position of being the “source” of energy for the Hands.

No its not. Life Entity had not been mentioned in anything related to the Light of Creation which was a concept made during Dark Crisis. It doesn't even embody the whole emotional spectrum which is just one of the energies that makes up the Totality. Here we go again with you using old pieces of information to determine things.

The Source is the Light as of the most recent information, not the Life Entity.

No? When he merged he unified himself as one again like he always was. So there's no separate Source somewhere else.

Not really. The Source was limited to his lighter form when the Source Wall was up which was never mentioned in Death Metal as it eternally stays put in one position.

Nope, that's literally what it means. You not being able to determine what the term means is a problem of your own, not mine.

prob and it didn't go the way like you said due to Metron's statement.

Guidebooks suggested same hierarchical position

No, it does related to Light of creation and its light of creation itself. I've already provided scans and you are ignoring? It was Source of existence, it encompasses all things including emotional spectrum. The color of " white " is the source of color spectrum/rainbow. Multiverse was built by rainbow spectrum which mentioned twice in comics. Life entity/White Light of creation are directly linking with Source of creation, the different is life entity is an entity of white light of form of it with consciousness and it need host to summon but white Light of creation is just a living light that encompasses all things.

Oh... the Source that got separated was lesser manifestation of Source, thus why he get divided and Morrison applied Source as " an ultimate concept that cannot split or divided "because people are claiming it as Source itself.

Scan?

So, you confessed that you making ur own head-canons to point out what your aspect is. It ain't my problem, it's yours. You are making head-canons to point out your aspect. I just used simple confirmation from narrative sentence which isn't a head-canon.