DC Crisis Cosmology: Update — Source & Great Darkness

[Elizio33]

I really don't understand why some people are stuck with the idea that The Overvoid is the God of the DCU when it was retconned.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

If you're talking about the Source, it was the entitiy itself.

I assume this part is responding to my part about the Presence. If that were the case it specifically only mentions the Presence in the guidebook as Omniverse supreme being.

You said the Source isn't the Life Entity and claimed that the Source is always meant to be the Light. Now, you're backtracking saying the Life Entity is the Light of Creation? Make up your mind, we literally agreed due to recent information that the Life Entity isn't the Source nor the Light.

It did split so there's that.

In the scan. Self-manifest has one meaning.

You said the same thing.

I've already provided it's lesser manifestation, due to plane of existences nature.

So, you technically agree Source = Presence.

Life entity was created by Source, born from God's wave which is part of Source. The one who said "Let there be light " is Source. Life entity was always been Light of creation and Source also does. Who told you that, " only, one light of creation must exist "???.

You are making head-canons again, Morrison applied that because the one that we saw in Death of the new gods is just lesser manifestation. You don't have any evidence about that Source being Source itself.

I'd like u to prove, because it never says " it manifested itself "

Because it's the definition of Great Darkness. Narrative said nothing like you did.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I've already provided it's lesser manifestation, due to plane of existences nature.

Manifestation into lower reality doesn't mean its not the being itself. I’ve already said it can be in two places at once.

So, you technically agree Source = Presence.

I've made it clear an aspect of the Presence is the Source itself. However, the Presence in his purest form is beyond the Source.

Life entity was created by Source, born from God's wave which is part of Source. The one who said "Let there be light " is Source. Life entity was always been Light of creation and Source also does. Who told you that, " only, one light of creation must exist "???.

The Source is the Light. That was literally confirmed in Flash.

The scale in which the Light of Creation is described is not matched by the Life Entity. This is at least on par with the Darkness itself which exist beyond the Multiverse and is beyond even the Hands. The Life Entity scales nowhere near the full Totality, much less the creator of the Hands species.

You are making head-canons again, Morrison applied that because the one that we saw in Death of the new gods is just lesser manifestation. You don't have any evidence about that Source being Source itself.

No? You literally don't have proof of that. In the end, Yin and Yang merged together is oneness so that's something that speaks for non-duality, but nothing that there's a non-dual Source and a dual Source, its just the Source.

I'd like u to prove, because it never says " it manifested itself "

Self-manifest is manifesting oneself. That's what that means.

Because it's the definition of Great Darkness. Narrative said nothing like you did.

Yeah, and it doesn't start away from the meaning.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Manifestation into lower reality doesn't mean its not the being itself. I’ve already said it can be in two places at once.

I've made it clear an aspect of the Presence is the Source itself. However, the Presence in his purest form is beyond the Source.

The Source is the Light. That was literally confirmed in Flash.

The scale in which the Light of Creation is described is not matched by the Life Entity. This is at least on par with the Darkness itself which exist beyond the Multiverse and is beyond even the Hands. The Life Entity scales nowhere near the full Totality, much less the creator of the Hands species.

No? You literally don't have proof of that. In the end, Yin and Yang merged together is oneness so that's something that speaks for non-duality, but nothing that there's a non-dual Source and a dual Source, its just the Source.

Self-manifest is manifesting oneself. That's what that means.

Yeah, and it doesn't start away from the meaning.

okay so, you are in my point. So, you agree that it's lesser manifestation? Yea it can be two places at once because it's lesser manifestation.

There's no specific evidence about that, Source and Presence shared same position, I've already proved all of you guy interpretations are directly fitted with Source's position.

So, Life entity is

" not match " or similar claims of yours doesn't make it canon, Storyline already suggested that Life entity is the Light and Presence brought Life entity but not Source cuz Presence itself is Source.

Yes? But lesser aspect of it. It seems like you are in my point.

So, it's exactly same with Source and Death of the new gods Source.

So, you are making ur own head-canons technically.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

okay so, you are in my point. So, you agree that it's lesser manifestation? Yea it can be two places at once because it's lesser manifestation.

No? I said being in two places is possible due to Omnipresence. A manifestation of itself is itself especially when the story didn't diciate to being “lesser” or weaker.

There's no specific evidence about that, Source and Presence shared same position, I've already proved all of you guy interpretations are directly fitted with Source's position.

The scan that they both are mentioned
and featured in states that they are at least in the same position of being the “source” of energy for the Hands.

So, Life entity is

No its not. Life Entity had not been mentioned in anything related to the Light of Creation which was a concept made during Dark Crisis. It doesn't even embody the whole emotional spectrum which is just one of the energies that makes up the Totality. Here we go again with you using old pieces of information to determine things.

" not match " or similar claims of yours doesn't make it canon, Storyline already suggested that Life entity is the Light and Presence brought Life entity but not Source cuz Presence itself is Source.

The Source is the Light as of the most recent information, not the Life Entity.

Yes? But lesser aspect of it. It seems like you are in my point.

No? When he merged he unified himself as one again like he always was. So there's no separate Source somewhere else.

So, it's exactly same with Source and Death of the new gods Source.

Not really. The Source was limited to his lighter form when the Source Wall was up which was never mentioned in Death Metal as it eternally stays put in one position.

So, you are making ur own head-canons technically.

Nope, that's literally what it means. You not being able to determine what the term means is a problem of your own, not mine.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

I really don't understand why some people are stuck with the idea that The Overvoid is the God of the DCU when it was retconned.

Misconception lol. I already provided multiple things about Overvoid is light nor Source.

 

[Elizio33]

Misconception lol. I already provided multiple things about Overvoid is light nor Source.

The comics has clearly told us that The Source is The Light and JLI has clearly described The Overvoid as The Light as well. There is no misconceptions.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

No? I said being in two places is possible due to Omnipresence. A manifestation of itself is itself especially when the story didn't diciate to being “lesser” or weaker.

The scan that they both are mentioned
and featured in states that they are at least in the same position of being the “source” of energy for the Hands.

No its not. Life Entity had not been mentioned in anything related to the Light of Creation which was a concept made during Dark Crisis. It doesn't even embody the whole emotional spectrum which is just one of the energies that makes up the Totality. Here we go again with you using old pieces of information to determine things.

The Source is the Light as of the most recent information, not the Life Entity.

No? When he merged he unified himself as one again like he always was. So there's no separate Source somewhere else.

Not really. The Source was limited to his lighter form when the Source Wall was up which was never mentioned in Death Metal as it eternally stays put in one position.

Nope, that's literally what it means. You not being able to determine what the term means is a problem of your own, not mine.

prob and it didn't go the way like you said due to Metron's statement.

Guidebooks suggested same hierarchical position

No, it does related to Light of creation and its light of creation itself. I've already provided scans and you are ignoring? It was Source of existence, it encompasses all things including emotional spectrum. The color of " white " is the source of color spectrum/rainbow. Multiverse was built by rainbow spectrum which mentioned twice in comics. Life entity/White Light of creation are directly linking with Source of creation, the different is life entity is an entity of white light of form of it with consciousness and it need host to summon but white Light of creation is just a living light that encompasses all things.

Oh... the Source that got separated was lesser manifestation of Source, thus why he get divided and Morrison applied Source as " an ultimate concept that cannot split or divided "because people are claiming it as Source itself.

Scan?

So, you confessed that you making ur own head-canons to point out what your aspect is. It ain't my problem, it's yours. You are making head-canons to point out your aspect. I just used simple confirmation from narrative sentence which isn't a head-canon.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

prob and it didn't go the way like you said due to Metron's statement.

You've already mentioned Metron’s statement and I already said that didn't really prove anything.

Guidebooks suggested same hierarchical position

Yeah, but you also claimed the Presence is limited and is “of” the Source rather than the Source itself.

No, it does related to Light of creation and its light of creation itself. I've already provided scans and you are ignoring? It was Source of existence, it encompasses all things including emotional spectrum. The color of " white " is the source of color spectrum/rainbow. Multiverse was built by rainbow spectrum which mentioned twice in comics. Life entity/White Light of creation are directly linking with Source of creation, the different is life entity is an entity of white light of form of it with consciousness and it need host to summon but white Light of creation is just a living light that encompasses all things.

A generic “it encompasses all things” is rather a general statement that's hold little meaning until it's proven. Even then as we discuss earlier the Light of Creation is the Source, not the Life Entity. The Life Entity would just serve the purpose of representing life on a scale smaller than Source. If the Source is the Light of Crestion then obviously the Life Entity can't.

It’s the dominant color sure but its intrinsic nature is being just a byproduct of the energy of the Presence which means it can't be the Light.

Oh... the Source that got separated was lesser manifestation of Source, thus why he get divided and Morrison applied Source as " an ultimate concept that cannot split or divided "because people are claiming it as Source itself.

Then it reunited again. So it can split as it did happen and it can merge again as that happened as well.

Scan?

Source claims that he can't make the Fifth World without his darker half that was behind the wall. In the same issue also claimed he wasn't infallible thus this depiction of the was weaker than Snyder's treatment of it.

So, you confessed that you making ur own head-canons to point out what your aspect is. It ain't my problem, it's yours. You are making head-canons to point out your aspect. I just used simple confirmation from narrative sentence which isn't a head-canon.

Given what I've read of yours thing. I least trust your interpretation on things.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

You've already mentioned Metron’s statement and I already said that didn't really prove anything.

Yeah, but you also claimed the Presence is limited and is “of” the Source rather than the Source itself.

A generic “it encompasses all things” is rather a general statement that's hold little meaning until it's proven. Even then as we discuss earlier the Light of Creation is the Source, not the Life Entity. The Life Entity would just serve the purpose of representing life on a scale smaller than Source. If the Source is the Light of Crestion then obviously the Life Entity can't.

It’s the dominant color sure but its intrinsic nature is being just a byproduct of the energy of the Presence which means it can't be the Light.

Then it reunited again. So it can split as it did happen and it can merge again as that happened as well.

Source claims that he can't make the Fifth World without his darker half that was behind the wall. In the same issue also claimed he wasn't infallible thus this depiction of the was weaker than Snyder's treatment of it.

Given what I've read of yours thing. I least trust your interpretation on things.

It does prove thing because, they can't comprehend true Source, that's why it manifested as lesser form that they could comprehend.

You are taking things serious, the lesser manifestation itself name is Source.

I really don't understand why some people are stuck with the idea that The Overvoid is the God of the DCU when it was retconned.

never been retcon or something. This is new god series and new god series never mentioned the Presence. They revolve around overvoid and the source. And now the comic said the source is the product of overvoid very simple period

 

[Swanyee9t76]

The comics has clearly told us that The Source is The Light and JLI has clearly described The Overvoid as The Light as well. There is no misconceptions.

Exactly where it is described the overvoid as light?

 

[Swanyee9t76]

A generic “it encompasses all things” is rather a general statement that's hold little meaning until it's proven. Even then as we discuss earlier the Light of Creation is the Source, not the Life Entity. The Life Entity would just serve the purpose of representing life on a scale smaller than Source. If the Source is the Light of Crestion then obviously the Life Entity can't.

It’s the dominant color sure but its intrinsic nature is being just a byproduct of the energy of the Presence which means it can't be the Light.

Life entity literally exists because of “let there be light” statements. Which means the light that the Presence bought is not the source. It’s rather light entity.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

It does prove thing because, they can't comprehend true Source, that's why it manifested as lesser form that they could comprehend.

It manifested but there's no “lower” anywhere. If it died then the Source itself would perish since that was Darkseid plan to lure in the Source and take its place.

You are taking things serious, the lesser manifestation itself name is Source.

Yeah, except it wasn't lesser in any extent as we saw it describing its nature prior to being split by the Gods and he claimed he wasn't “supremely ineffable.” It became whole again after it reunited with its other half and then took a form they could comprehend.

never been retcon or something. This is new god series and new god series never mentioned the Presence. They revolve around overvoid and the source. And now the comic said the source is the product of overvoid very simple period

The Overvoid is the Light as proven in these stories. The Overvoid did not create the Source nor was it where the Source came from. Even Morrison said they're the same thing.

Life entity literally exists because of “let there be light” statements. Which means the light that the Presence bought is not the source. It’s rather light entity.

You just don't want to take current understanding of the stories do you? Relying on a headcanon narrative that doesn't make sense in the context of stories now.

 

[Averroes1]

Says you. I wouldn’t see you complaining if it were the Overvoid at the top again. You alongside just a few others are complaining, but for the majority I don't see any complaining.

I find it pretty funny that you consistently bring up Morrisons characters wherever I go honestly, great to see you still incensed on that.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I find it pretty funny that you consistently bring up Morrisons characters wherever I go honestly, great to see you still incensed on that.

You're welcome it's the least I could do when its the only topic you talk about.

 

[RigelBR7]

With this new stuff, wouldn't the Great Darkness be upgraded to High 1-A level? For this is a new basis for ineffability and transduality that completely exceeds the 1-A level of Source and Overvoid.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

With this new stuff, wouldn't the Great Darkness be upgraded to High 1-A level? For this is a new basis for ineffability and transduality that completely exceeds the 1-A level of Source and Overvoid.

No. It would just at best be an additional layer into 1-A.

 

[Elizio33]

Not only that, but also because The Source is the apex of the hierarchy who commands the Unseen Council. The Source should remains 1-A for now.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

It manifested but there's no “lower” anywhere. If it died then the Source itself would perish since that was Darkseid plan to lure in the Source and take its place.

Yeah, except it wasn't lesser in any extent as we saw it describing its nature prior to being split by the Gods and he claimed he wasn't “supremely ineffable.” It became whole again after it reunited with its other half and then took a form they could comprehend.

The Overvoid is the Light as proven in these stories. The Overvoid did not create the Source nor was it where the Source came from. Even Morrison said they're the same thing.

You just don't want to take current understanding of the stories do you? Relying on a headcanon narrative that doesn't make sense in the context of stories now.

It didn't mentioned specifically and it doesn't need to, Metron's statement already applied that it manifested as a form that they could comprehend, because Source is came from different plane. I already told u multiple times about that's not Source itself but lesser manifestation. Source is the void and energies.

They were able to comprehend it form since the beginning. Since Metron already talked with Source before the match starts. And, you are claiming your own head-canons, it never said it's not lesser form or something + it didn't have points that can make sense as well. You are making ur head-canons,Morrison directly applied that Source can't be split. Thus, if it's get, it's not Source itself.

Overvoid isn't Light, I already proved that JLI reconfirmed perfection was Light itself and not Overvoid, it does related with Overvoid but it's not Overvoid itself, Source is an aspect or sort of God which is white page and Overvoid is Transparent page, U keep ignoring my points. Overvoid manifested Source, since he's God.

When did last canon mentioned Life entity being White Light of creation being non-canon? You are the one who's making ur own points to make sense and saying head canons. It never stated indirectly or directly, you are just making ur things up.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

With this new stuff, wouldn't the Great Darkness be upgraded to High 1-A level? For this is a new basis for ineffability and transduality that completely exceeds the 1-A level of Source and Overvoid.

It doesn't Transcend Light of creation, they are equal. The first star that Trigion mentioned in Great Darkness is how Light was like a star in the darkness at it first appearence. Source is an aspect of Overvoid as well, it applied

 

[Weaver261]

They were able to comprehend it form since the beginning. Since Metron already talked with Source before the match starts. And, you are claiming your own head-canons, it never said it's not lesser form or something + it didn't have points that can make sense as well. You are making ur head-canons,Morrison directly applied that Source can't be split. Thus, if it's get, it's not Source itself.

If i'm not mistaken, you guys are talking about that source ball right? I think it's written by a different writer. It's death of the new gods right? It came out later than final crisis while it should be the prequel of it causing a lot of incosistencies, i've heard.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

If i'm not mistaken, you guys are talking about that source ball right? I think it's written by a different writer. It's death of the new gods right? It came out later than final crisis while it should be the prequel of it causing a lot of incosistencies, i've heard.

It doesn't have a lot of inconsistencies, Readers just making their own sense. They claim that Infinity man destroyed Source wall so, surrounding of nil becomes Void meanwhile story suggests that it's Second wall. Similarly, these comics are related both previous crisis so, writers on that era was already discussed to write. Morrison also applied that Source couldn't be split and Story also suggests that the ball or yinyang entity is from the different plane, it manifested as a form which they could comprehend. Which identically prove its just manifestation from higher plane.

 

[Weaver261]

It doesn't have a lot of inconsistencies, Readers just making their own sense. They claim that Infinity man destroyed Source wall so, surrounding of nil becomes Void meanwhile story suggests that it's Second wall. Similarly, these comics are related both previous crisis so, writers on that era was already discussed to write. Morrison also applied that Source couldn't be split and Story also suggests that the ball or yinyang entity is from the different plane, it manifested as a form which they could comprehend. Which identically prove its just manifestation from higher plane.

It just showed how different writers have different ideas about the source. Morrison isn't even the one who create The Source. So, just taking Morrison words as WoG feels wrong. Death Of The New Gods showed source can be splited into life and anti life. It literally contradicted your claims. Ofc, feel free to provide a scan where it's stated how The Source in death of the new gods is just a lesser manifestation without referencing Morrison's words

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

It didn't mentioned specifically and it doesn't need to, Metron's statement already applied that it manifested as a form that they could comprehend, because Source is came from different plane. I already told u multiple times about that's not Source itself but lesser manifestation. Source is the void and energies.

It does need to mention it because without it, you're claim falls flat. It literally was stated to be whole again and after that decided to take shape in that unity. Throughout the fight with Darkseid it was made clear that was the one and only source back into its oneness.

They were able to comprehend it form since the beginning. Since Metron already talked with Source before the match starts. And, you are claiming your own head-canons, it never said it's not lesser form or something + it didn't have points that can make sense as well. You are making ur head-canons,Morrison directly applied that Source can't be split. Thus, if it's get, it's not Source itself.

Now, you're claiming that it never said it wasn't a lesser form yet you can prove that it was a lesser form. You're jumping from one point to another. What Morrison said doesn't validate anything since he didn't write Death of the New Gods.

Overvoid isn't Light, I already proved that JLI reconfirmed perfection was Light itself and not Overvoid, it does related with Overvoid but it's not Overvoid itself, Source is an aspect or sort of God which is white page and Overvoid is Transparent page, U keep ignoring my points. Overvoid manifested Source, since he's God.

You proved it to yourself with the vast majority not agreeing. Keep going at it, it won't change anything.

When did last canon mentioned Life entity being White Light of creation being non-canon? You are the one who's making ur own points to make sense and saying head canons. It never stated indirectly or directly, you are just making ur things up.

It wasn't mentioned the Life Entity being non-canon. It just didn't mentioned it at all but it say the Source was the Light.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

It doesn't have a lot of inconsistencies, Readers just making their own sense. They claim that Infinity man destroyed Source wall so, surrounding of nil becomes Void meanwhile story suggests that it's Second wall. Similarly, these comics are related both previous crisis so, writers on that era was already discussed to write. Morrison also applied that Source couldn't be split and Story also suggests that the ball or yinyang entity is from the different plane, it manifested as a form which they could comprehend. Which identically prove its just manifestation from higher plane.

You're ignoring the fact that the Source Wall was missing because of Death of New Gods.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

It just showed how different writers have different ideas about the source. Morrison isn't even the one who create The Source. So, just taking Morrison words as WoG feels wrong. Death Of The New Gods showed source can be splited into life and anti life. It literally contradicted your claims. Ofc, feel free to provide a scan where it's stated how The Source in death of the new gods is just a lesser manifestation without referencing Morrison's words

You must realize that, that Source is an manifestation, which metron already stated and it came from different plane. Morrison use Source in his run as a white page. Could u provide the source of Wog being incorrect to Morrison? Source isn't anti-life + life entity, it contains multiple dualities. The Source we saw in Dotng isn't True Source, it was a manifestation from different plane. I don't know why you are implying that Source itself is anti-life + life and denying Death of the new gods Source is Source itself with different interpretation of writer, meanwhile it directly stated " Manifestation ". Seems, like you guys are choosing your own head-canons over the actual story. I've already provided the evidences of that Source being manifestation from different plane, you can scroll it up in page 2.

 

[Weaver261]

You must realize that, that Source is an manifestation, which metron already stated and it came from different plane. Morrison use Source in his run as a white page. Could u provide the source of Wog being incorrect to Morrison? Source isn't anti-life + life entity, it contains multiple dualities. The Source we saw in Dotng isn't True Source, it was a manifestation from different plane. I don't know why you are implying that Source itself is anti-life + life and denying Death of the new gods Source is Source itself with different interpretation of writer, meanwhile it directly stated " Manifestation ". Seems, like you guys are choosing your own head-canons over the actual story. I've already provided the evidences of that Source being manifestation from different plane, you can scroll it up in page 2.

Again you should provide a scan that directly stating how The source shown in Death of the new gods is not True Source but rather a manifestation of it. I looked up in previous page but there's not a single scan that stated this. So, it'd be nice if you can provide it again here or quote it back. Morrison ideas of overvoid being the god of everything is no longer true in current point in time. Referencing writers' words that are no longer relevant anymore is not helpful in reaching a conclusion. You are only taking what is benefit to you and ignoring others becuz Morrison said otherwise. Excuse me?

 

[Swanyee9t76]

It does need to mention it because without it, you're claim falls flat. It literally was stated to be whole again and after that decided to take shape in that unity. Throughout the fight with Darkseid it was made clear that was the one and only source back into its oneness.

Now, you're claiming that it never said it wasn't a lesser form yet you can prove that it was a lesser form. You're jumping from one point to another. What Morrison said doesn't validate anything since he didn't write Death of the New Gods.

You proved it to yourself with the vast majority not agreeing. Keep going at it, it won't change anything.

It wasn't mentioned the Life Entity being non-canon. It just didn't mentioned it at all but it say the Source was the Light.

" it does need to mention " for you* lol I've already proved scans about Death ofbthe new gods Source being from different plane and he manifested as a form which new gods could comprehend. I don't think it need further to go since you didn't provide any evidence of that Source being Source itself, you keep asking me for a evidence for you, that would be sufficient to claim as. But unfortunately, I've already provide a sufficient points that make Source as manifestation from different plane so, It really don't need to provide about that Source isn't True Source, the one who should prove that " Source is Source itself " is you.

because plane scan and the statement of Metron, which New gods couldn't comprehend prove its manifested as a form that could comprehend and entity came from different plane which they couldn't comprehend. Death of the new gods and Final crisis are linking, thus why Morrison applied to Source like that + DC events work with collection of writers, editor team, you are saying like they can publish the comic that based on their own opinions.

That's the word I have to say, what did you provide? Just random head-canons + you never proved that Source is Source itself but keep claiming with sentences without evidences.

So, does Life entity.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Again you should provide a scan that directly stating how The source shown in Death of the new gods is not True Source but rather a manifestation of it. I looked up in previous page but there's not a single scan that stated this. So, it'd be nice if you can provide it again here or quote it back. Morrison ideas of overvoid being the god of everything is no longer true in current point in time. Referencing writers' words that are no longer relevant anymore is not helpful in reaching a conclusion. You are only taking what is benefit to you and ignoring others becuz Morrison said otherwise. Excuse me?

I'm not referring writer's words, I'm just using these to make comic's points strong. Since DC writers love to write vague stuffs and they re-confirmed it in interview or guidebook.

I'll provide the scans when my school's over

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

" it does need to mention " for you* lol I've already proved scans about Death ofbthe new gods Source being from different plane and he manifested as a form which new gods could comprehend. I don't think it need further to go since you didn't provide any evidence of that Source being Source itself, you keep asking me for a evidence for you, that would be sufficient to claim as. But unfortunately, I've already provide a sufficient points that make Source as manifestation from different plane so, It really don't need to provide about that Source isn't True Source, the one who should prove that " Source is Source itself " is you.

As stated in the comics, when he merged with himself again as the Source, he also manifested a shape after it happened. That was the Source itself as said several times throughout the story.

because plane scan and the statement of Metron, which New gods couldn't comprehend prove its manifested as a form that could comprehend and entity came from different plane which they couldn't comprehend. Death of the new gods and Final crisis are linking, thus why Morrison applied to Source like that + DC events work with collection of writers, editor team, you are saying like they can publish the comic that based on their own opinions.

He was in that plane the whole time, they saw him unify after Scott broke the Source Wall.

That's the word I have to say, what did you provide? Just random head-canons + you never proved that Source is Source itself but keep claiming with sentences without evidences.

Read the story and understand how they're writing it. You claiming gibberish isn't in the comics.

So, does Life entity.

In the recent comics or Blackest Nights? If you can show a scan from Infinite Frontier until now then I'll admit it. If not and you keep claiming to the mid-2000s story then you don't know how an established canon works based on publication.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

As stated in the comics, when he merged with himself again as the Source, he also manifested a shape after it happened. That was the Source itself as said several times throughout the story.

He was in that plane the whole time, they saw him unify after Scott broke the Source Wall.

Read the story and understand how they're writing it. You claiming gibberish isn't in the comics.

In the recent comics or Blackest Nights? If you can show a scan from Infinite Frontier until now then I'll admit it. If not and you keep claiming to the mid-2000s story then you don't know how an established canon works based on publication.

He's always been Source. Ur making ur own things up again + if it's Source itself, feel free to prove.

Yea he was in that plane after he getting splitted and before Darkseid getting defeated.

I did lol but it doesn't say fit with ur points, that's why I am asking u to provide but did you?

You must realize that I'm not quoting these to make you accept my points; I'm presenting them as factual evidence. I don't care whether you choose to admit it or not because it is directly stated in the comic. Blackest Night was never deemed non-canon + don't make ur own comic timeline, and it doesn't change the fact that the Life Entity is the Light of Creation, even if the Source is also referred to as the Light of Creation.

 

[Elizio33]

Look, the self-referential void has been clearly described as the Great Darkness that could only refer to itself through the presence of another, and the Great Darkness has always been represented as the void of endless darkness that precedes all, even the light. The materials from DotNG should not be used since this story is non-canon and has been described as an apocryphal version of the same unseen story, and most of what this story said has been ignored or contradicted by many writers of DC.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

He's always been Source. Ur making ur own things up again + if it's Source itself, feel free to prove.

It literally said I am the Source, which confirms my point.

Yea he was in that plane after he getting splitted and before Darkseid getting defeated.

He was in the same place in where he became whole again and split. So he never entered a lower plane, he was just there to manifest a new shape because of his oneness wasn't meant to been seen by others. Though, the first three Gods ripped apart him into two so there's that.

I did lol but it doesn't say fit with ur points, that's why I am asking u to provide but did you?

If you read all of #7 and #8 it literally claim that Source is the one and only Source. That was made very clear.

You must realize that I'm not quoting these to make you accept my points; I'm presenting them as factual evidence. I don't care whether you choose to admit it or not because it is directly stated in the comic. Blackest Night was never deemed non-canon + don't make ur own comic timeline, and it doesn't change the fact that the Life Entity is the Light of Creation, even if the Source is also referred to as the Light of Creation.

Yeah, that comic isn't very recent and the Life Entity was never coined as “Light of Creation.”

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Look, the self-referential void has been clearly described as the Great Darkness that could only refer to itself through the presence of another, and the Great Darkness has always been represented as the void of endless darkness that precedes all, even the light. The materials from DotNG should not be used since this story is non-canon and has been described as an apocryphal version of the same unseen story, and most of what this story said has been ignored or contradicted by many writers of DC.

He went on from that to apparently thinking the Life Entity is the Light, yet saying its part of the Source which he accepts is the Light. The bckpeddling and the logic behind that is unbelievable.

 

[Elizio33]

He went on from that to apparently thinking the Life Entity is the Light, yet saying its part of the Source which he accepts is the Light. The bckpeddling and the logic behind that is unbelievable.

The Life Entity is not The Light of Creation. If anything, it is an aspect of The Source, an entity associated with the white light of life, but the Life Entity is not The Light itself because it is The Source, and Nekron is not the Darkness either but one of its many avatars.

The duality between the Great Darkness and the Source is that, as The Great Darkness is total darkness, it represents the absence of light and is completely opposed to existence. As for The Source, it is the purity of all creation and represents not only light or life but existence as a whole. It's not hard to understand. The two dual forces complement each other. If the story says otherwise and says that the self-referential void is actually The Overvoid, then fine, I would be the first to admit I was wrong, but I doubt it since the story clearly describes what the self-referential void is.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

The Life Entity is not The Light of Creation. If anything, it is an aspect of The Source, an entity associated with the white light of life, but the Life Entity is not The Light itself because it is The Source, and Nekron is not the Darkness either but one of its many avatars.

The duality between the Great Darkness and the Source is that, as The Great Darkness is total darkness, it represents the absence of light and is completely opposed to existence. As for The Source, it is the purity of all creation and represents not only light or life but existence as a whole. It's not hard to understand. The two dual forces complement each other. If the story says otherwise and says that the self-referential void is actually The Overvoid, then fine, I would be the first to admit I was wrong, but I doubt it since the story clearly describes what the self-referential void is.

It's the Overvoid squad that wants to ignore the obvious.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

Look, the self-referential void has been clearly described as the Great Darkness that could only refer to itself through the presence of another, and the Great Darkness has always been represented as the void of endless darkness that precedes all, even the light. The materials from DotNG should not be used since this story is non-canon and has been described as an apocryphal version of the same unseen story, and most of what this story said has been ignored or contradicted by many writers of DC.

no, it's not self-referential void, it's talking about how he can be only refers itself as total absence of Light which stated in the sentence after this. Great Darkness never was a void, it's just total absence of light.
Okay but I'd like u to provide Source behind that.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

It literally said I am the Source, which confirms my point.

You previously said " As stated in the comics, when he merged with himself again as the Source, he also manifested a shape after it happened. " Which contradicted with your current sentence and you must realized that, it later mentioned as manifestation.

He was in the same place in where he became whole again and split. So he never entered a lower plane, he was just there to manifest a new shape because of his oneness wasn't meant to been seen by others. Though, the first three Gods ripped apart him into two so there's that.

If you read all of #7 and #8 it literally claim that Source is the one and only Source. That was made very clear.

Yeah, that comic isn't very recent and the Life Entity was never coined as “Light of Creation.”

Well no, he was in that plane whole time yea and it was lower emanation of true Source. The story suggested differently, " my time on this plane is ended " implied that Source's not from this plane. You are creating your own stuffs up again, story never suggests that " His oneness wasn't meant to seen by other ". That entity itself is an lower emanation TwT.

Feel free to provide an evidence.

Doesn't mean Life entity being Light is non-canon.

 

[Swanyee9t76]

He went on from that to apparently thinking the Life Entity is the Light, yet saying its part of the Source which he accepts is the Light. The bckpeddling and the logic behind that is unbelievable.

I'm talking about, the one that Presence or Voice brought light is an life entity, it never was Source. The voice only seems to appeared in multiverse and life entity only appeared in multiverse that contradicted with darkness.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

You previously said " As stated in the comics, when he merged with himself again as the Source, he also manifested a shape after it happened. " Which contradicted with your current sentence and you must realized that, it later mentioned as manifestation.

No, it doesn't. I said he was always the Source that when merging again made him unify himself as the Source of oneness, not division. After that event, he took shape of something they can comprehend because he most likely didn't believe that his oneness could be comprehend with those beings.

Well no, he was in that plane whole time yea and it was lower emanation of true Source. The story suggested differently, " my time on this plane is ended " implied that Source's not from this plane. You are creating your own stuffs up again, story never suggests that " His oneness wasn't meant to seen by other ". That entity itself is an lower emanation TwT.

Feel free to provide an evidence.

Feel free to read the story properly.

Doesn't mean Life entity being Light is non-canon.

Doesn't mean it is as well.