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DC Crisis Cosmology: Update — Source & Great Darkness

I'm talking about, the one that Presence or Voice brought light is an life entity, it never was Source. The voice only seems to appeared in multiverse and life entity only appeared in multiverse that contradicted with darkness.
That's why you use recent information. The Light predates Creation as a whole and formed in the Darkness, which the Source matches that description. The Life Entity would be a lesser aspect of the Light which would be more akain to the feelings of sentient beings and/or the worlds. Nothing about it speaks as a grandiose case of it being the entirety of the Light.
 
It directly stated White Light of creation. I'm not denying about Life entity being an aspect of Source? I'm just claiming that Light entity is the only one that was brought by Voice/Presence.

Okay but did I disagree about Source and TGD's are being dual? 😅. Just ridiculous to know. I meant, TGD isn't self-referential void, Ik that " Great Darkness that could only refer to itself through the presence of another " but it later said "total darkness/tgd can be only defined as total absence of light....life". Going back to previous sentence, it actually applies that " TGD could only refers to it self as total absence of light ". I meant, that's how Ram V wanted to describe.
 
No, it doesn't. I said he was always the Source that when merging again made him unify himself as the Source of oneness, not division. After that event, he took shape of something they can comprehend because he most likely didn't believe that his oneness could be comprehend with those beings.

Feel free to read the story properly.

Doesn't mean it is as well.
That's not what story suggested, you are actually making ur own stuffs again. There's no " Source of oneness " or something, If old gods were able to see, New gods will able to.

I've already read it, that's why I'm asking u to backup your claim.

Well no.
 
That's why you use recent information. The Light predates Creation as a whole and formed in the Darkness, which the Source matches that description. The Life Entity would be a lesser aspect of the Light which would be more akain to the feelings of sentient beings and/or the worlds. Nothing about it speaks as a grandiose case of it being the entirety of the Light.
It's not just feeling? it literally encompassess everything within + It even conflicted with TGD. I meant, Voice only rotate ain multiverse and It was manifested by Multiversal Presence, which basically mean Voice can't bring an entities that are beyond it influcence like omniversal entities.
 
That's not what story suggested, you are actually making ur own stuffs again. There's no " Source of oneness " or something, If old gods were able to see, New gods will able to.
Source of oneness and division isn't a thing, yes. I was mentioning of when the Source was whole and split throughout the story.
I've already read it, that's why I'm asking u to backup your claim.
Then you've read wrong since I clarified your interpretation as nothing related to the comics.
Good you can see that.

It's not just feeling? it literally encompassess everything within + It even conflicted with TGD. I meant, Voice only rotate ain multiverse and It was manifested by Multiversal Presence, which basically mean Voice can't bring an entities that are beyond it influcence like omniversal entities.
That's headcanon. Assuming that the Voice is just Multiversal which wasn't supported even by your appersnt “scan.” Not to mention, I would like to see the Life Entityy mentioned again in modern comics where it embodies everything that's not the Great Darkness.
bro's making his own lore again :)
Its a very true and vernal statement. I'm not making a story.
 
Source of oneness and division isn't a thing, yes. I was mentioning of when the Source was whole and split throughout the story.

Then you've read wrong since I clarified your interpretation as nothing related to the comics.

Good you can see that.


That's headcanon. Assuming that the Voice is just Multiversal which wasn't supported even by your appersnt “scan.” Not to mention, I would like to see the Life Entityy mentioned again in modern comics where it embodies everything that's not the Great Darkness.

Its a very true and vernal statement. I'm not making a story.
you are making ur own stuffs up again, just because the one we seen in Death of the new gods isn't True Source, it's simple.

All I can see here is just baseless claims. Suggesting the issue doesn't backup your claim as I've already read whole comic but don't see the point that you've mentioned. That's why I'm asking you to provide specific scan.

Just because DC book suggested that it was manifested by the multiversal arbiter which isn't Supreme being of greater omniverse. A manifestation of lesser Presence who doesn't compared to omniversal entities can't bring wholeness of omniverse itself.

Yes you are. I'm not claiming here baselessly, I provided that Source ≠ Overvoid and it's just misconception as well as Light of creation ≠ Overvoid with evidences, I provided that Presence > Source is incorrect due to their same functionalities and hierarchical positions. I even provided that the one brought Presence is Life entity not Source itself, if he brought Source, it would basically be bringing himself by using his aspects.
 
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This thread has already reached four pages, I would appreciate it if we could put this debate on hold.
 
We could honestly go with the changes. You and I hardly see why he's making these many randoms notions. I think it is rather obvious.
I disagree and I'm not the only one that's disagreeing and I'm not talking non-sense things or randoms, I'm just implying these things by basing on what comic said with full backup.
 
I agree and suggest moving on with crt since DC comics has a lot of inconsistencies, we should only take latest available scans as valid scans. The word "recton" exists for a reason. If you are persistent on using old scans no matter what while it's not true anymore, we either nuke the whole DC verse for being full of inconsistencies or accept the latest as the most canon and proceed with scaling.

The light has been recently confirmed to be the source. The light is the one which grew on TGD. That same light is referred to as god's light and god said let there be light. JLI #4 also confirmed the light being the overvoid even going as far in using same font, same phrases. Since the source has become the same as the light, death metal scan stating the source = the presence is no longer valid. Life entity is the life aspect of the source as it's stated the source manifesting in life as well in Himon Prometheus codex. Let there be light quote in blackest night scan is more likely a reference to bible rather than being literal since it's literally quoted. Also even if it was true, it's no longer canon considering the latest scans. Since the source has been explicitly stated to be the light in flash 2023, TGD and the source becomes duality (doesn't matter if it's stated as something beyond duality in past).
These are something not just most people here agree with, almost every DC fan would agree with this (you can check new cosmology videos on yt and reddit or other forums)
Dwelling on old scans that no longer true anymore and not even welling to accept other people's opinions won't be helpful. So, I rest my case here

Edited - I would say the same thing to other crt too since you guys are basically debating the same things in different crts
 
I agree with the OP.

The Great Darkness and the Source are one in the same in a dialectical manner. It reminds me of Hegel's "Being, Nothing, Becoming". The Source is "Being" & the Great Darkness is "Nothing". Being refers to itself, without further determinations, and in that indeterminate immediacy it reveals itself to be completely empty, contentless, absolute nothingness. Nothing, on the other hand is. Being is Nothing and Nothing is Being.

The Source & the Great Darkness are self-referential, and each results in the opposite infinitely.

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