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How so?Matthew Schroeder said:I think that Master Hand is obviously 3-A.
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How so?Matthew Schroeder said:I think that Master Hand is obviously 3-A.
I think it's mostly because when Master Hand takes on all 50 of them, he does not use his full moveset. He only uses a handful of attacks and still takes on all 50 of them near effortlessly.Assaltwaffle said:Can you post the part where MH beats 50 Smashers "while holding back"? Because it looks like Marth, Zelda, and Pit are pretty confident in defeating 10 MHs.
Also in Brawl, Tabuu, who is superior to MH, loses to the Smashers.
I have, and I think it makes sense.ArbitraryNumbers said:@Kepekley @Eficiente @Warren
Are any of you reading the arguments that I posted?
The previous implications were false for the reasons stated above, I'm yet to see reasons for this ones being wrong. Surely we aren't going to take MH as someone who merely creates unknown things and fights everyone on Final Destination.The real cal howard said:Implications require common sense. Something VSBW has come to forget is that everything doesn't need to be said to you like you're a child.
Defeating Tabuu to me isn't an outliner because he seemed heavily weakened by Sonic. Otherwise it's pretty obvious the Smash Bros characters wouldn't have standed a chance.TriforcePower1 said:Smashers are amped by spirits in Ultimate, and that was pretty much agreed on another thread due to the sheer amount of Low 2-C feats the game had. Master Hand is generally holding back against Smashers, so that doesn't count, and he fakes his death as we see in Ultimate (when you play as him and you die, he just falls on the ground, while every other time he explodes in a pretty long show). Other members like Saikou or Dragon can probably explain this better. Their only outlier is just defeating Tabuu.
This honestly sounds like a good course of action since looking for a full blown ranking for the fighters is incredibly inconsistent. It'd be like:DarkDragonMedeus said:The Smashers are kind of inconsistent and all over the place, but the bosses are generally very consistent with their universal feats regardless of 3-A or Low 2-C. All smashers should generally be on each other's level, but even then there are instances of one smasher being above every smasher put together including an identical clone of themself; and this could happen to any Smasher. So if anything, Smashers could have a variable tier; low end to scale from their own feats and/or calcs and the other for being on tier of the bosses at their peak.
i do argee with the trophy argument in ending the world but in which way pure force,society wise and your saying a assist trophy counts is dumb cause for one you can see the moon in the one zelda stage called bay as welll as a assist trophy and the moon in the great bay and his games the assist tropie has never showned planetary desruction but it only stated world you could say when everything points to being able to destroy the survface of the planet as well you counted smash 64 stages as attack potency since he created them so does shenron have multiplanet level power cause he revied frieza and master hand effortless wiped out dharkon boosted fighters which disproves your scaling. and the pokemon like arcues are shown to have thier powers not ap when paklia changes space alignment in his assist trophy and his stage hazard in the spear pillar stage and palkia is shown to have multiple of his abities as shown with tropies in brawl and 4 with these two being quotes from these trophies Stories surround this Legendary Water/ Dragon-type Pokémon, saying that it has control over all of space. Its Spacial Rend attack will tear space and flip the screen upside down. When this happens, the left and right controls of the fighters will become flipped as well.Stories of this Legendary Pokémon say that Palkia is a god that controls all of space. When it uses its Spacial Rend attack in Super Smash Bros., it causes the screen to flip upside down. If that wasn't confusing enough, it also flips the left and right controls! and A Spatial Pokémon. In the Sinnoh region, this Pokémon has been revered for many generations, much like Dialga. It lives between parallel dimensions and is known for its power, rumored to be able to warp space. It can use Spatial Rend to rip through the very space an enemy resides in, damaging the foe at the same time. for examples showing them being consistent to their lore of that fransiceArbitraryNumbers said:@DarkDragonMedeus
Care to list some examples of inconsistencies between the fighters?
Because I think a solid "at least High 6-A" for all of them would work just fine. They can tank hits from the Majora's Mask Moon assist trophy, which is stated in a trophy in Smash 4 to be capable of ending the world. That would at least be High 6-A. And they can all damage each other.
Also I recall that we agreed the fighters were amped up by spirits, so they'd only scale to Galeem or Master Hand when amped up by them.
it has to do with the fact other characters in smash have comparable to their Pokemon counterparts and world destroying can mean multiple things as stated like world can mean anything for example i could have my house destroyed and i would say my world would be destroyed and i could say city level destruction would be world destroying from my perscective and dharkon controling fighters would be weaker than highly weaken spirtis of characters that were destroyed almost compltelyArbitraryNumbers said:I never said it was planetary destruction, which is why I said it was High 6-A and not 5-B.
How does Master Hand knocking out Dharkon-boosted fighters disprove my scaling?
I don't know why you're going on about the creation trio. My argument has nothing to do with that.