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Low 2-C Zeref + other stuffs

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Pucci effected the actual universe, which is stated and shown. Stop using him as an example because him and Zeref couldn't be anymore different, Zeref never effected the world or timeline so it isn't a universal feat. Manipulating the time of a world isn't universal, nor will it be accepted as such. Seriously quit repeating the same debunked argument, you sound like a broken record. And his range is flawed as well, no CRT was made and we're discussing Neo Eclipse right now, so that's irrelevant.
 
It does with how it basically connects time and other timelines, Neo Eclipse is just a variation with reseting time.
 
Also Eclipse is simply dimensional travel, as seen with the SK from Bleach and the recent range thread that was held Zeref should have also gotten his removed, which shouldn't be on the profile to begin with.
 
Just sound like time-hax at best IMO, that's just time travel / retro active reality warping with extra steps, he isn't destroying anything rather than replace it with what he wanted retroactively.

He's pulling a Trunks with just enough changed for the author to not get accused of using a cliche, which it's still is.
 
Red-Eyed Specter said:
Also Eclipse is simply dimensional travel, as seen with the SK from Bleach and the recent range thread that was held Zeref should have also gotten his removed, which shouldn't be on the profile to begin with.
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Difference between Senkaimon and Eclipse is one just travels between SS and HW, while Eclipse Gate connects timelines.
 
oh, well SK is unrelated here anyway which he just separated the world into three, Eclipse actually affects timelines, Neo Eclipse is no different, just better
 
Red-Eyed Specter said:
Pucci effected the actual universe, which is stated and shown. Stop using him as an example because him and Zeref couldn't be anymore different, Zeref never effected the world or timeline so it isn't a universal feat. Manipulating the time of a world isn't universal, nor will it be accepted as such. Seriously quit repeating the same debunked argument, you sound like a broken record. And his range is flawed as well, no CRT was made and we're discussing Neo Eclipse right now, so that's irrelevant.
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First off, you disagreeing with the range doesn't make it wrong. You don't hold the answer to what the actual range for it is. The Universal+ range is with Neo Eclipse by the way, so yes it's relevant.

There's also another character called White Face that also got the Low 2-C rating for resetting their world. Should they not get that rating because the word "world" was used instead of "universe?"

You're not one to talk about broken record-like arguments. You keep repeating yourself and it really seems like you just don't want Fairy Tail to have a Tier 2 rating despite the fact that:

1. Time resets have always been accepted as a universal feat.

2. The world was literally going to be reset, with Zeref implying that the current world would be wiped out in the process.
 
Nope SK made three separate realms, one of which being Dangai which has it's own time-space and is cut off from the other realms. His range was recently changed into cross- dimensional range as per wiki standards. FT isn't getting a free pass, sorry to tell you.
 
CNBA3 said:
oh, well SK is unrelated here anyway which he just separated the world into three, Eclipse actually affects timelines, Neo Eclipse is no different, just better
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Once again, you keep using timelines when Zeref himself never says timelines.

He only says time would be reset for the world. And a reset of 400 years.
 
World has always been a substitute for universe, and sometimes even used to describe a multiverse, such as in Dragon Ball Super where Whis states "If he so wished, Zeno could destroy the entire world," referring to all 12 universes when saying "world."
 
They are all part of the same universe as stated earlier on, even dimensions are divided by distance. but that is irrelevant, Eclipse can actually connect actual timelines, Neo Eclipse would not have any reason to not do more.
 
@Dragon


First of all don't quote large walls of text, you should know this by now.

>First off, you disagreeing with the range doesn't make it wrong. You don't hold the answer to what the actual range for it is. The Universal+ range is with Neo Eclipse by the way, so yes it's relevant.


First of all, me disagreeing with it is objective. Zeref shouldn't have it for various reasons, it was added randomly without a CRT which is vandalism, we're currently discussing Neo Eclipse rn and wiki standards debunks it so it'll be removed regardless.


>There's also another character called White Face that also got the Low 2-C rating for resetting their world. Should they not get that rating because the word "world" was used instead of "universe?"


I'm Scared is confirmed to be a digital universe, that's literally all the game is. One single digital universe. Also stop using other vereses, seriously getting tiring.


>You're not one to talk about broken record-like arguments. You keep repeating yourself and it really seems like you just don't want Fairy Tail to have a Tier 2 rating despite the fact that:

1. Time resets have always been accepted as a universal feat.

2. The world was literally going to be reset, with Zeref implying that the current world would be wiped out in the process.


... Mate me and several other users have explained this to you, time resets aren't inherently universal, context matters here. Zeref isn't resetting the universe, he's resetting time on a planetary scale. Honest to god, your either refusing to understand this or you simply can't comprehend it.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
World has always been a substitute for universe, and sometimes even used to describe a multiverse, such as in Dragon Ball Super where Whis states "If he so wished, Zeno could destroy the entire world," referring to all 12 universes when saying "world."
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This is wrong, and Imade explained why eariler. Sekai doesn't mean universe, it means World. If they meant Universe they wouldn't say Sekai and in Dragon Ball they don't use Sekai, 8n Dragon Ball the word Uchu is used.

Here the word Sekai is used. I'll ask you once more to stop using false Equivalencies, because the ones you've been using aren't comparable at all.
 
again, Sekai with hiragana can mean universe, and just like the actual english definition, world can mean universe too, and since this is a new variation of Eclipse which affects timelines, there is no reason that is not invalid.
 
Your citation is literally based around religion mate, which we aren't gonna debate here. Sekai doesn't mean universe, end of story. And I'd suggest you don't bring up religious beliefs as that's against the rules.
 
still universe regardless of what belief, not the point, world can mean universe in both hiragana and english definition, even in other translations would say Universe. And timelines are affected by standard Eclipse, no reason Neo Eclipse wouldn't have the same capability, even Timelines are refered as just "time" in the story.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
For someone whos only been here for a bit over a week, you seem to already know so much about the wikia. Just sayin.
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Not sure what this has to do with the thread but okay. Do you actually have something to contribute to this thread?
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
The comparisons with Pucci are dumb because Pucci quite literally resets the universe with Made in Heaven.

What's going on here is a lot less definitive.
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Disregarding Pucci for a moment, the technique Neo Eclipse is a variation of Eclipse which affects Timelines, which are refered to as individual times and/or worlds, Neo Eclipse just creates a new one after the destruction of the original
 
So what.

This is like giving Coil from Worm Low 2-C because he has the ability to see possible futures and choose the one that will happen, altering time and causality to make it real.

Which in effect only lets him influence events on a short range across a few seconds ahead of the present. It is Time Manipulation yes but it is absolutely not universal.

Giving Zeref Low 2-C for a move that effectively only pulls time back a few is idiotic.
 
Eclipse connects timelines across the multiverse for the travel.

Matthew Schroeder said:
So what.
This is like giving Coil from Worm Low 2-C because he has the ability to see possible futures and choose the one that will happen, altering time and causality to make it real.

Which in effect only lets him influence events on a short range across a few seconds ahead of the present. It is Time Manipulation yes but it is absolutely not universal.

Giving Zeref Low 2-C for a move that effectively only pulls time back a few is idiotic.
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they are stated to be parallel universes, that is not what Neo Eclipse does, it involves destruction and creation
 
I love how we were almost in agreement on it and now it's a whole argument. How quickly things can change
 
Sekai simply means world. Anything other than that would require another additional context which you should provide as you're the one arguing for it. Someone already pointed out how there's not even a singular use of the word timeline nor universe so the context behind this "sekai" being universe is pretty goddamn unlikely

You repeating that Sekai can mean a universe in lmao hiragana and/or buddhist definition would actually make you all the more incorrect

Sekai/world/universe/realm in Buddhist belief is a specific term that refer to an emotional state of being. There are ten states going from hell to buddha. The higher the state, the more freewill and happiness one obtains. They're not literal planets or dimensional or physical space or any such nonsense, they're metaphysical worlds within each living being.

I mean, sure, if you still want to push this sekai=universe thing and actually end up with a pathetic ass universe only as big as a human then go straight ahead. Tier whatever human's size is Zeref through one hax
 
I disagree with Low 2-C with the reasons above, it just looks like unquantifiable Space-Time Manipulation being used for a rating at best. Also, if it's only 400 years, that's still not Low 2-C even if it's a universal scale. It'd have to be universal in size AND affect all of it in its entirety, both of which seem to be under heavy scrutiny right now. I don't think it's in anyone's best interest to add it.
 
Zeref reset isn't like Pucci anyway since the latter doing it by accelerating time to universe destruction point.

@Matt Neo Eclipse was stated to be Time Reset. It also was stated by Zeref and Mavis that once he used NE, the currently World will be destroyed. The 400 years ago stuff is the period which he chose as his starting point.
 
@EMS^There was no mention of just affecting 400 years, just time. Timelines are refered to as universe, time and/or world in FT, so they would be relative to each other.

Sekai alone would be just the world, however, the hiragana would mean any other things, like society, planet or the universe.
 
CNBA3 said:
Sekai alone would be just the world, however, the hiragana would mean any other things, like society, planet or the universe.
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I literally explained why that sentence is wrong. Are you really trying to lecture others on language that you yourself doesn't even understand?
 
ThatOneBrit said:
I disagree with Low 2-C with the reasons above, it just looks like unquantifiable Space-Time Manipulation being used for a rating at best. Also, if it's only 400 years, that's still not Low 2-C even if it's a universal scale. It'd have to be universal in size AND affect all of it in its entirety, both of which seem to be under heavy scrutiny right now. I don't think it's in anyone's best interest to add it.
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i mean if you say it's universal in range it should destroy the universe because mavis and zeref heavily suggest that this world will be erased & crumble
 
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