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Low 2-C Zeref + other stuffs

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the only thing hyperbole is that there are infinite crystal balls, that is it, I looks at the series as a whole which can surprise you
 
CNBA3 said:
the only thing hyperbole is that there are infinite crystal balls, that is it, I looks at the series as a whole which can surprise you


Doesn't work like that, it's either all hyperbole or none of it is. You can't pick what's convenient to you in order to benefit Zeref's argument, this is textbook cherry picking.
 
"The majority of people."

To be honest, the majority of people in this thread were actually agreeing that this should be Low 2-C, and for good reason. Just because we're defending a point with reasoning behind it, doesn't mean we're grasping desperately onto something.
 
Red-Eyed Specter said:
CNBA3 said:
the only thing hyperbole is that there are infinite crystal balls, that is it, I looks at the series as a whole which can surprise you
Doesn't work like that, it's either all hyperbole or none of it is. You can't pick what's convenient to you in order to benefit Zeref's argument, this is textbook cherry picking.
That is not how that works, the rest of the series confirms there are actual timelines as which are parallel universes, so the only thing that is hyperbole is the infinite crystal balls,
 
In the beginning where little to no context was given about the feat in question, misinformation about the feat was thrown out left and right, after me and a few other users pointed this out the issue became evident. There is absolutely no reason behind it, and you two are the only ones arguing for it at this point despite there being a plethora of counter evidence against low 2-C.
 
But you're using a scan that you admittedly acknowledge has hyperbolic aspects present as proof of something. You're deriving the idea of parallel worlds as if we can assume what's being said is truthful. By that point, you would need to still proof why it's truthful.
 
Someone above already pointed how parallel universe existing doesn't have a hand on Zeref's feat because it has nothing to do with it. Zeref is resetting time of the world, which isn't an entire universe nor timeline as the evidences thus far show

How in the **** that just because a completely different thing happening on panel that mean an entirely different thing that just so happen to use the same word õ©ûþòî suddenly mean Zeref is resetting back the entire universe?

Look now whos banking on their argument on a single word. If you want to cherry pick something at least makes it subtle
 
Honestly, this can be solved in one way:

Try making a CRT on Zeref's range with Neo Eclipse.

If a change is agreed on, then alright, I can agree with it.

If not, I see no reason for Zeref to not get the Low 2-C rating since that would mean that it's accepted that Zeref's range with it is Universal+, and as such, affects time on a universal scale.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
"The majority of people."
To be honest, the majority of people in this thread were actually agreeing that this should be Low 2-C, and for good reason. Just because we're defending a point with reasoning behind it, doesn't mean we're grasping desperately onto something.
Because nobody was arguing against it. If there are new arguments against it, users should evaluate their stance again.
 
We've explained this to you, no CRT on his range needs to be made. This IS the CRT, we're discussing Neo Eclipse at the moment. What the actual **** do you think we're talking about? I've explained to you why his range is wrong and this is quite literally the thread that's dealing with it. Quit acting oblivious.
 
It does because parallel universes are their own timelines, and timelines are affects by regular Eclipse, while Neo Eclipse destroys and creates, it is interconnected to each other about the nature of time in FT.
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
Well so far no one's agreed on range, only on not giving him the tiering.

This is a dishonest comment and tells us a lot about your character. My posts were given several kudos and users agreed with them, and his range needs to be updated regardless due to wiki standards. Seriously this isn't difficult to comprehend.
 
Once again, I have to agree with what's being said above. Trying to revise the range into a different CRT is just asking to prolong the matter beyond what's needed when we can solve it here and now. Either Zeref gets his Low 2-C or he gets it denied and has his range downgraded to whatever is agreed upon, it's rather simple since the range is reliant on what's already posted too.
 
Honestly it seems like it'll either be both or nothing.

Either the range gets changed and there's no Low 2-C, or the range stays the same and there is a Low 2-C
 
Aernasilver said:
Why do you keep saying parallel universes when it's parallel worlds.
The official translation states it is parallel universes, in the link I provided above
 
Someone pointed out how his range is wrong and someone put it there without an actual CRT. CRT revising his range would effectively halt this thread while the second option is you literally giving a tier to something based on wrong/unaccepted stuff

You're very welcome to do the first

While the second is just lol
 
The official translation states it is parallel universes, in the link I provided above

And the raw scan I posted above says worlds.
 
CNBA3 said:
Aernasilver said:
Why do you keep saying parallel universes when it's parallel worlds.
The official translation states it is parallel universes, in the link I provided above
Official localization doesn't mean they're infallible. What the raw scan actually says differ from what the translator choose to use, if we're actually trying to be accurate rather than being desperate we'll go with what the raw said. And it ain't universe
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
But there's nothing wrong with it? Just because you say it's wrong, doesn't mean it is.


Mate, this isn't my word and my word alone. This is quite literally standard wiki practice, seriously quit ignoring shit to your own leisure. You are quite literally ignoring what you want to ignore while paying attention to a single argument out of many.
 
And I simply disagree with those counterarguments. I apologize if I sound stupid right now, it's almost 1 AM which is probably not a good time for me to be making a VS debate, but I still stand by my point.
 
Aernasilver said:
The official translation states it is parallel universes, in the link I provided above
And the raw scan I posted above says worlds.
https://*********.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628615/12


it says universes
 
Which is wrong. Goddamn are you this desperate or are you just illiterate?

The translator can use cosmos or even ******* multiverse for all i care and it wouldn't change the fact that the author himself doesn't use Õ«çÕ«Ö , rather going with õ©ûþòî
 
DragonGamerZ913 said:
And I simply disagree with those counterarguments. I apologize if I sound stupid right now, it's almost 1 AM which is probably not a good time for me to be making a VS debate, but I still stand by my point.


What you disagree with is ultimately irrelevant, we're discussing wiki standards not our opinions. Seriously this isn't difficult to understand, it's 12:51 AM here, I've been working since the morning, got off at 9 and I'm still able to understand this concept. There's no reason for you not to understand.
 
You're missing the point. He's saying the Japanese doesn't mention universes, the English does. You're circling back to using a translation again, which is the problem we had to begin with because the source wasn't saying that.

Stuff like this should be the reason you want to use the source if you have access to it over a localization.
 
Mate, that's confirmation bias for you. Ignoring contradictory points and focusing on what confirms your belief. I do it, you do it, we all do it. It's how we form our arguments: by focusing on what supports our arguments.
 
Bias? No I'm using wiki standards, these are literally rules I myself did not make. You should grab a dictionary because you obviously don't know what bias means.
 
I do, and I also know that you've been pretty aggressive with your comments, to the point where it sounds like you're outright belittling the people that disagree with you.
 
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