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doesn't fairy heart power the spell...?
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Low 2-C Zeref + other stuffs
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When you are just about several feets away from your goal and then decides to personally kill your enemy with you hand, even though you can still do it by achieving your goal.Red-Eyed Specter said:
Yeah, I calls it PIS/CIS.
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For starters the OP is entirely dishonest and the word timeline has been slapped into the OP randomly by Beast.
first of all the word timeline is never used eve once going by his own scans. The word timeline is never used, not even once so I'm not sure why that's even in the OP, that's very manipulative.
This isn't the same as Pucci, Pucci is directly stated and shown to reset the entire Jojo timeline, Zeref's case isn't the same. The word universe or timeline is never mentioned, not even once. At best this is a 5-B feat, and is certainly not low 2-C. The comparison of Pucci's reset doesn't work here, Pucci has a lot more proof and unlike Zeref he's resetting the actual main timeline for the Jojo verse and ****** shit up beyond belief, causing Steel Ball Run to occur and the terrible part 9. Low 2-C isn't acceptable. Honestly just seems like a desperate attempt to get tier 2 FT, and I have a feeling people are only using this to get Zeref to High 3-A for having infinite magic.
Edit: Zeref is also only doing 400 years, he isn't resetting it to the point where the big bang occured or anything like that. Further reason why low 2-C is flawed.
first of all the word timeline is never used eve once going by his own scans. The word timeline is never used, not even once so I'm not sure why that's even in the OP, that's very manipulative.
This isn't the same as Pucci, Pucci is directly stated and shown to reset the entire Jojo timeline, Zeref's case isn't the same. The word universe or timeline is never mentioned, not even once. At best this is a 5-B feat, and is certainly not low 2-C. The comparison of Pucci's reset doesn't work here, Pucci has a lot more proof and unlike Zeref he's resetting the actual main timeline for the Jojo verse and ****** shit up beyond belief, causing Steel Ball Run to occur and the terrible part 9. Low 2-C isn't acceptable. Honestly just seems like a desperate attempt to get tier 2 FT, and I have a feeling people are only using this to get Zeref to High 3-A for having infinite magic.
Edit: Zeref is also only doing 400 years, he isn't resetting it to the point where the big bang occured or anything like that. Further reason why low 2-C is flawed.
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Well regardless of whether this is PIS/CIS or not, I'm still in favor of this being Low 2-C.
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All the more reason for the upgrade to actually be viable.
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^Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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Doesn't mean anything. All Zeref was going to do was reset the world. Which is a far cry from a universal reset.
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Which is irrelevant because Zeref isn't effecting parallel universes and not even the universe itself. He's effecting the world back to 400 years.
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>first of all the word timeline is never used eve once
Never once is timeline stated nor universe stated.
This isn't Low 2-C.
Never once is timeline stated nor universe stated.
This isn't Low 2-C.
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No it can't unless specified. Sekai can mean world or universe, but not both.
It means one or the other.
If they truly meant universe then they would used Uchu, just like how Dragon Ball Super's manga used Uchu for it's universal feats.
It means one or the other.
If they truly meant universe then they would used Uchu, just like how Dragon Ball Super's manga used Uchu for it's universal feats.
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He's resetting to 400 years ago because that's what he wants to do. The fact that a reset is able to be done is already a Low 2-C feat especially when considering that parallel universes do exist in Fairy Tail, as noted by Ultear. Edolas has even been accepted as a different universe.
What you're saying honestly sounds like your own desperate attempt to make sure Fairy Tail doesn't get a Tier 2 rating.
What you're saying honestly sounds like your own desperate attempt to make sure Fairy Tail doesn't get a Tier 2 rating.
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Nice arguments, but the word timeline nor universe is stated, not even once. Until then, this isn't a low 2-C feat. Simple as that, is it stated that he'll effect the universe, timeline and space-time? No? Alright.
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No it wouldn't, Imade explained this above. Again, universe nor timeline is stated, only the world. Zeref has zero reason to reset the entire universe whenever the only issue is on Earth, parallel universes are irrelevant as Zeref isn't effecting them.
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Parallel Universes existing doesn't have a hand in this feat since parallel universes aren't a part of this feat.
The feat is Zeref resetting time.
The issue is if he's resetting time of the world or universe. What about the entire timeline?
It turns out he never once stated timeline, that's completely made up.
The second fact is he never states universe either. He says Sekai, not Uchu.
The feat is Zeref resetting time.
The issue is if he's resetting time of the world or universe. What about the entire timeline?
It turns out he never once stated timeline, that's completely made up.
The second fact is he never states universe either. He says Sekai, not Uchu.
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So a pocket Universe is 3-A now because it uses the World Universe in it? You know how ridiculously it is.
No, it depends on contexts that worlds can means anything. In FT context, World refers to an entire timeline. Referring time on 5-B scales doesn't make sense either.
No, it depends on contexts that worlds can means anything. In FT context, World refers to an entire timeline. Referring time on 5-B scales doesn't make sense either.
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No.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Parallel Universe existings is just for referrence of what the Wor "World" refers to in this context.
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Man you keep on using false Equivalencies. The wiki doesn't accept pocket universes as 3-A and you know this. And no, World doesn't mean timeline in FT, Earthland isn't the universe. If Zeref meant universe or timeline he'd say so instead of saying Sekai. This is wank, to be utterly honest with you.
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The former is dependent on the context of the pocket universe. We rate pocket universes on their size. If it is proven or stated to be a universe, it is 3-A. If not, it can be lower than 5-B even.Beast Zero Gudako said:
If we utilize the context given to us in Fairy Tail this is what we have:
- Zeref never says timelines.
- Zeref nor Mavis ever state universe, the solely state world.
- The raws never has the kanji for universe, Uchu. It's solely Sekai, which is world as in planet.
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Parallel universes are based on how time works and Zeref is affecting time itself and how world is related to it.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/õ©ûþòî#Noun_2 Sekai can mean universe too, just like how world in the dictionary can mean universe as well. Neo Eclipse is a variation of Eclipse which travels to actual timelines. So there is no reason timeline is not utilized here.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/õ©ûþòî#Noun_2 Sekai can mean universe too, just like how world in the dictionary can mean universe as well. Neo Eclipse is a variation of Eclipse which travels to actual timelines. So there is no reason timeline is not utilized here.
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õ©ûþòî = World.
Õ«çÕ«Ö = Universe.
Not once does it say Universe.
Õ«çÕ«Ö = Universe.
Not once does it say Universe.
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Sekai doesn't mean universe, sorry but I'm gonna take the words of a trusted translator as opposed to you CBNA.
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You know, based on this logic, why is a 5-B rating being discussed?
Not once does it say planet. At least sekai can be argued for meaning universe
Not once does it say planet. At least sekai can be argued for meaning universe
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Sekai means world, in other words 5-B. World doesn't mean universe, if Zeref was gonna reset the universe he wouldn't have said Sekai. I have a feeling you have zero idea on what your arguing here mate.
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Oh yeah, another thing worth noting.
If Zeref's time reset isn't universal, then why does Zeref have Universal+ range?
If Zeref's time reset isn't universal, then why does Zeref have Universal+ range?
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That link you gave literally doesn't say universe besides here:
> (Buddhism) space, universe
Are we gonna debate religion right now?
> (Buddhism) space, universe
Are we gonna debate religion right now?
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Zencha9 said:
No it isn't, he isn't effecting time on a universal scale.
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DragonGamerZ913 said:
Because the profile is wrong and a CRT was never made for that so I'm not sure why he has that to begin with.
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I can also confirm that in these raws never once is timeline stated in Japanese.Aernasilver said:
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Range: Standard melee range. Hundreds of meters with death magic. | Standard melee range. Hundreds of kilometers with death magic. Possibly Universal+ with Neo Eclipse.
So why isn't possibly Low 2-C viable?
So why isn't possibly Low 2-C viable?
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Got me there. You're right, the staff that contributed to that page are definitely in the wrong compared to you.Red-Eyed Specter said:
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The staff can be wrong, and again a CRT was never made for that so that needs to be removed. Changes to profiles without a CRT is considered vandalism, but it seems like your running out of arguments here. Bring new arguments to the table, if you can.
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Possibly doesn't mean it is true. It means it's a possibility as the world means.
As we're discussing here, Neo Eclipse scans don't say timeline nor universe, just world.
As we're discussing here, Neo Eclipse scans don't say timeline nor universe, just world.
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there is nothing really wrong with that when even Eclipse can affect timelines, there is no reason that Neo Eclipse can't do that.
Again, in the kanji with the hiragana as well as the definition in English World can mean Universe, and since regular eclipse timelines, no reason Neo Eclipse can't
Again, in the kanji with the hiragana as well as the definition in English World can mean Universe, and since regular eclipse timelines, no reason Neo Eclipse can't
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Resetting time has been consistently accepted as being on a universal scale. Not just with Pucci, but with anyone that's performed such a feat. What makes this any different besides the word universe not being explicitly stated?
Also, there's nothing to actually justify it being on a planetary scale either besides the use of the word "world." There are only few cases where something is present and needs to be fixed, but no CRT is made. The reason there is no CRT here is because this is accepted as possibly universal+ range, and the majority of people on this thread seem to agree.
Also, there's nothing to actually justify it being on a planetary scale either besides the use of the word "world." There are only few cases where something is present and needs to be fixed, but no CRT is made. The reason there is no CRT here is because this is accepted as possibly universal+ range, and the majority of people on this thread seem to agree.
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Nothing states it affects the entire timeline nor the timeline of a whole universe.CNBA3 said:
The only statements we have are what Zeref has given us and he's never once said universe nor timeline.
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