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His post went totally over your head dude.
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Low 2-C Zeref + other stuffs
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If it's only a specific period of the timeline it'd affect, that's not Low 2-C. Someone made a good analogy for King Crimson earlier, GER had a High 3-A rating via hax for restoring a section of the timeline that's erased on a universal scale. It needs to affect the entire timeline for the Low 2-C.
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Citation for your claims would be nice, because from what I recall Eclipse Gate was simply time travel. Nothing more, nothing less. Neo Eclipse is irrelevant as we discussed above, there's nothing to suggest it's Low 2-C.
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Zeref literally has possibly universal+ range for Neo Eclipse on his profile, and the only argument against that is just "well it's wrong."
If it's agreed on that it's possibly universal+ range, then that means that it affects the universe, not just... say, the planet. Therefore, since it's universal+ in scale and it is implied to wipe out the entire original world, it should be Low 2-C.
If it's agreed on that it's possibly universal+ range, then that means that it affects the universe, not just... say, the planet. Therefore, since it's universal+ in scale and it is implied to wipe out the entire original world, it should be Low 2-C.
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The profile isn't objective, there can be a flaw with the range that is unearthed here which there seems to be an ongoing discussion on such a thing.
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DragonGamerZ913 said:
That's being ignorant and proves you aren't reading arguments here. Firstly, he needs that removed due to not having a CRT made for it, secondly, it needs to be removed due to range revisions, we're currently discussing Neo Eclipse atm. There's a lot more than one argument against it, let's not be ignorant here and ignore other arguments.
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Nah, im neutral to this. Leaning towards the disagreeing side if anything. Just felt like pointing this out as being a bit strange is all.Red-Eyed Specter said:
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It does matter. Read what other people post. There's no use of the word timelines nor universe. You deadass being adamant on ***** wouldn't change anything. Substantiate your claim with citesCNBA3 said:
Sure, if there's no other context to the sekai being used here then that's what Zeref could affect.
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Your entire argument is literally based around one word. If that doesn't prove you simply don't want a Tier 2 Fairy Tail, I don't know what does
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I could easily turn your own logic and say that you're the one who just wants tier 2 FT and turn this thread into a no u argument. I'd be fine with tier 2 FT if said tier 2 feat was legitimate. The difference is that the tier 2 feat in question doesn't exist.
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We shouldn't be playing the "well you just don't want this to go through" card, that's not healthy toward the discussion at all.
The word is integral because it defines the scale. If it's not universe, it's an automatic non-qualifier for Low 2-C oncemore. I don't see why you are belittling the matter when it's one of the main points.
The word is integral because it defines the scale. If it's not universe, it's an automatic non-qualifier for Low 2-C oncemore. I don't see why you are belittling the matter when it's one of the main points.
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What part of my point are you even trying to address? Did you read through the thread or are you simply posting for the sake of posting?DragonGamerZ913 said:
I'm addressing the braindead issue of someone arguing that õ©ûþòî mean universe when in fact it doesn't. I ain't the one so desperate on õ©ûþòî could've mean (Buddhist) "universe" in lol hiragana and/or the Nihon writing. If anything, it's the opposite, it's the pro-Zeref side that quite literally banking on most if not all of their argument on a single word that doesn't even mean what they think it meant
Go invest on Japanese class next time lads, would help you in a situation like these
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All of that is quite literally time travel. That's what the Gate does, it allows for time travel with a shit ton of prep.
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Because time reset has always been accepted as a universal feat, so I don't understand why it's now suddenly such a huge issue. Again I say, Zeref's range with Neo Eclipse is Universal+ and a CRT has never been called for, and to be honest, even if you call for one, I doubt it'll amount to any changes.
As such, I don't see why Zeref shouldn't get Low 2-C for Neo Eclipse.
Side note: Really just needed to get that one off of my chest regardless of whether I meant it or not. Today just sucked. Regardless, that's why I think Zeref should get Low 2-C for Neo Eclipse.
As such, I don't see why Zeref shouldn't get Low 2-C for Neo Eclipse.
Side note: Really just needed to get that one off of my chest regardless of whether I meant it or not. Today just sucked. Regardless, that's why I think Zeref should get Low 2-C for Neo Eclipse.
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This is Neo Eclipse, not regular one which requires 12 Zodiac Keys and a giant ass Gate to operate it.Aernasilver said:
Regular Eclipse doesn't destroy the present like Neo Eclipse did. It just open a Gate to another point of time. Future Lucy meet with Present Lucy is like dead give away.
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I know that. CNB kept on bringing up Eclipse to prove timelines.
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Zeref's range is wrong for various reasons to which I've explained why more than once. Are you ignoring what people are telling you or are you genuinely not understanding this? Also the last scan CBNA is a clear cut hyperbole, which Fairy Tail is literally known for.
Eclipse is time travel, that's all it is.
Eclipse is time travel, that's all it is.
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Neo Eclipse, on the other hand, has been implied to reset time and completely wipe out the original world.
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The World, not the universe. How many times do people need to tell you this? Like I'm genuinely questioning if you actually know what's going on.
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I disagree with low 2C FRA. As well as the fact thst this is done through hax?? Then he shouldn't even get a possible ratings in the first place for hax
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Once again it's not Universe, it's world. õ©ûþòî.
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I suppose Ultear is low 2-C for creating infinite futures and Natsu is low 2-C for tanking multiple timelines and futures blowing up on him. I don't need to explain what's wrong with this.
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The onus would be on you to prove it means universe, that's not just an assumption you blindly make.
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Does that phrase translate to parallel worlds then?
If anything, that only reinforces this since it's being mentioned in relation to Ultear's time magic, which can either imply parallel timelines or parallel universes (since the FT-verse operates on multiverse theory)
If anything, that only reinforces this since it's being mentioned in relation to Ultear's time magic, which can either imply parallel timelines or parallel universes (since the FT-verse operates on multiverse theory)
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No, Ultear said she can create infinite futures, which is clearly and objectively wrong. I'm gonna be blunt here for a second and forgive me if this comes off as rude, but to argue this and for you to genuinely believe Ultear can do so is wank to the highest degree.
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I don't believe Ultear can actually do it. However, the statement itself confirms the existence of parallel universes or parallel timelines.
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If we're denying one big part of the statement, why are we selectively saying the other is now correct and trying to apply it just for Zeref's benefit?
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The statement is a hyperbole, Ultear is knowledgeable but to say she suddenly knows that there's infinite futures that she can create is blatant hyperbole. Again, which Fairy Tail is absolutely infamous for. Don't tell me not to be selective either whenever you're the one who's picking and choosing what parts of the statement to use. You can't simply cherry pick like that.
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Because while Ultear's was a clear exaggeration, the statement itself, which confirms the existence of parallel worlds, can be used for something that's actually been repeatedly stated to have the power to reset time.
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because Parallel Universes do exist in FT, but as her whole statement refers to the Crystal Balls, and individual Timelines do confirmed to exist in FT down the line, where as regular Eclipse Gate affects them by connecting them, Neo Eclipse simply destroys and creates themThatOneBrit said:
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ThatOneBrit said:
Ulterior motives if we're being completely honest, seems like people are just grasping on desperately to a nonexistent low 2-C feat. Anyway the majority seems to agree that this isn't anywhere near low 2-C, including two staff members.
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