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Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

"First three seem fine, the final 2 seem like game mechanics, or at least the mechanics of the Tri Rod."

So we just yapping ig.

"Ice attacks freeze water, a unique interaction programmed into the game, must be unestablished mechanics based on the Trirod and not literally just cold thing make water go brrr"
"Heat attacks like fire octos, lava slugs and fire wizzrobes can evaporate water in a big puff of vapor, must be unestablished Trirod mechanics".

Man, you best have an actual good excuse for the yap, I really don't like when people clutter calc blogs with pointless shit for whatever reason.
 
I mean in the case of the fire I guess it could be argued the thermal energy required would not release red thermal radiation but we barely hold anything to such a standard.
 
it ain't that serious.

It's literally devs at nintendo went "this stuff is hot, so it make water go poof" and "this is cold, so it makes stuff go brrr".

Nothing more, nothing less, honestly, I'm kinda surprised they even programmed it into the game.

For reference, they can also instant ash various objects too like furniture, turning it bright orange then to black ash, or instant burning stuff like meat to a pile of black soot.
which means Zelda has a pretty good heat res tbh.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Bro took it personally 💀
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If you want to say shit, you best have good reason for it.
Don't clutter calc blogs with yap, that isn't the place for it, it's an actual nuisance.

Like really, you know those get linked to profiles and stuff? Imagine, someone new opens a calc blog or just a visitor, and then scrolls down, and the comments just have dudes saying shit without elaboration.
That's cool, mixed signals, zero elaboration, actual yap that does nothing but confuse viewers.

So, unless you have an actual good reason to say, for example, an ice Wizzrobe shooting a ice blast and instant freezing a fuckton of water is somehow due to Trirod mechanics, as opposed to the very blatant cold thing makes water freeze, actually just stop.

And I'm not speaking just for me, I mean in general, calc blogs aren't a place to yap, so much so I even went through the effort to walk dudes through calc fixes in DM's or walls when I eval'd shit, not the blogs, as cluttering them with useless yap is an active detriment for viewers and cohesive profiles.
 
Chariot190 said:
If you want to say shit, you best have good reason for it.
Don't clutter calc blogs with yap, that isn't the place for it, it's an actual nuisance.

Like really, you know those get linked to profiles and stuff? Imagine, someone new opens a calc blog or just a visitor, and then scrolls down, and the comments just have dudes saying shit without elaboration.
That's cool, mixed signals, zero elaboration, actual yap that does nothing but confuse viewers.

So, unless you have an actual good reason to say, for example, an ice Wizzrobe shooting a ice blast and instant freezing a fuckton of water is somehow due to Trirod mechanics, as opposed to the very blatant cold thing makes water freeze, actually just stop.

And I'm not speaking just for me, I mean in general, calc blogs aren't a place to yap, so much so I even went through the effort to walk dudes through calc fixes in DM's or walls when I eval'd shit, not the blogs, as cluttering them with useless yap is an active detriment for viewers and cohesive profiles.
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Dang, I'm sorry I commented on your blog without permission then. I usually welcome people commenting on mine.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
First week on this forum and you're already not doing much better. Obviously I wouldn't have said anything if I knew everyone here was gonna turn on me if I did.
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or.... You say something, actually elaborate why, give good concrete reason for saying as such, or like, don't because otherwise it's clutter and yap.
 
We aren't out to get you, but one of the primary purposes of the fourm is debate by bringing up an argument here you are participating in a public debate. You argued against a calculation not because the math was wrong but by saying one of the base assumptions is wrong without explaining why it would be wrong. That's not much of a better argument than "it's wrong because I said so" and people have the right to point out this fact.
 
Null is the strongest Zelda villain MF's when watching the cutscene where he gets just a single piece of the Triforce;

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I mean Null directly opposed the golden goddesses and didn't die and the solution they had to Null tearing up reality wasn't the tri-force, but a new species created specifically for the job. Those are some of the most impressive feats in the series until Null was defeated by 2/3 of the tri force, unless we start arguing the wielders themselves did a lot of heavy lifting which isn't impossible, but I doubt it.
 
He never directly opposed them, he just kept eating lifeforms and the goddesses told him to **** off and imprisoned him and the void by creating... creation. The goddesses just tend to use sealing instead of destruction with this shit, like they only opted to have the Twili banished to another dimension, they chose to seal away Ganondorf by flooding the world, like Null isn't unqiue in that regard it ain't one of the most impressive feats he just means he got sealed away.

Their solution to him creating rifts being the Tris doesn't mean much either, the Triforce is objectively far, farrr superior to Null by his own admission (Like not even the full thing, dude could barely believe the power he got from just one piece of the thing) and even the end of the game has Tri (The main one that helps Zelda) using the Triforce to fix all the rifts he made at the end of the game. Him taking on two Triforce piece users at the same time isn't even a feat for him because he was empowered by the Triforce of Power, and even then that's nothing new for the thing since Ganon with the TOP needed two triforce peice users + the master sword + the light arrows + the sages to be sealed away in OOT and in one timeline he even wins the other Triforce pieces during that fight and all the sages can do is stall him by sending him to the Dark World for a short timeout.

Null does have the best sealing tho, like legit could seal away the golden goddesses within his rifts. In a straight up fight he'd get donked by, I dunno, TOTK Ganondorf but if Ganon caught caught in the rift he's ******. Dude has some impressive hax but AP wise? He's like OOT temple boss level until he gets the Triforce of Power.
 
Dust_Collector said:
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All of this reminds me of the time when Zelda was in the Tier 2 ranges of power thanks to Majora scaling and for those few people who could wield the complete Triforce or beat someone that can do the former.

What the **** happened? It's like losing touch with a best friend, and then you see them again years later to reveal that they're now a heroine junkie.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
All of this reminds me of the time when Zelda was in the Tier 2 ranges of power thanks to Majora scaling and for those few people who could wield the complete Triforce or beat someone that can do the former.

What the **** happened? It's like losing touch with a best friend, and then you see them again years later to reveal that they're now a heroine junkie.
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Memory is a bit hazy but iirc the Majora tier 2 rating was deemed not really applicable to AP since it came from a statement of him corrupting time and the heavens, but we had no real timeframe for it doing that or even what corrupting them even meant. Full Triforce remained 3-A due to it having a pretty straightforward feat of warping the Sacred Realm into the Dark World but we started really limiting who scaled to the complete Triforce.

I can't remember the deal with ALTTP Link but either we treated him beating full Triforce Ganon as an outlier or we didn't treat Ganon has using the Triforce in their battle due to it being in another room, most Links that were 3-A from having the full Triforce themselves had it removed since they never used it to empower themselves they just made a wish after gaining the thing for like 10 seconds. Demise and Hylia never should've scaled to the complete Triforce in the first place so they were the first to get their universal ratings dropped. Although Echoes of Wisdom is bringing back tier 2 for the Triforce so that's nice.
 
Dust_Collector said:
He never directly opposed them, he just kept eating lifeforms and the goddesses told him to **** off and imprisoned him and the void by creating... creation. The goddesses just tend to use sealing instead of destruction with this shit, like they only opted to have the Twili banished to another dimension, they chose to seal away Ganondorf by flooding the world, like Null isn't unqiue in that regard it ain't one of the most impressive feats he just means he got sealed away.
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I must of misremembered, I just sort of assumed since the goddesses actually showed up it was a bigger deal.
Dust_Collector said:
Their solution to him creating rifts being the Tris doesn't mean much either, the Triforce is objectively far, farrr superior to Null by his own admission (Like not even the full thing, dude could barely believe the power he got from just one piece of the thing) and even the end of the game has Tri (The main one that helps Zelda) using the Triforce to fix all the rifts he made at the end of the game. Him taking on two Triforce piece users at the same time isn't even a feat for him because he was empowered by the Triforce of Power, and even then that's nothing new for the thing since Ganon with the TOP needed two triforce peice users + the master sword + the light arrows + the sages to be sealed away in OOT and in one timeline he even wins the other Triforce pieces during that fight and all the sages can do is stall him by sending him to the Dark World for a short timeout.
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Okay yeah that's right been a bit since I watched a play through, yeah the tri thing isn't as impressive as I thought. Didn't he almost destroy reality by putting everything into the void with just the one piece though. Obviously it wouldn't make him stronger than the whole tri force, but I think that is one of the most impressive feats any villain with the tri-force has actually done without scaling. I brought up the 2/3 tri force thing as evidence against him being the strongest.
Dust_Collector said:
Null does have the best sealing tho, like legit could seal away the golden goddesses within his rifts. In a straight up fight he'd get donked by, I dunno, TOTK Ganondorf but if Ganon caught caught in the rift he's ******. Dude has some impressive hax but AP wise? He's like OOT temple boss level until he gets the Triforce of Power.
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Interesting
 
Lou_change said:
Didn't he almost destroy reality by putting everything into the void with just the one piece though.
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Don't think we have enough evidense for that. In terms of range he didn't even cover all of Hyrule and we don't really know how far the rifts go vertically. We know they reach the clouds at the very least (So better than Zant's "multiversal" twilight shroud which didn't even get that high) but reaching the far ends of the universe? Unsure. Could've gone that far, might not have gone beyond the atmosphere of the planet, maybe it'd be clairfied at some point with supplementary material.
 
I think EoW is a chance for a lot of weaker profiles rather than one to upgrade our current ones. Functionally, echoes are not puppets or dumb clones or anything like that; they're exact copies that fight for the summoner. The Beast Ganon echo was even capable of talking and introducing himself as Ganon. Other than the Null profile and MAYBE the Link and Zelda, I think we should also be experimenting with what they can do and what they resist.
 
Dust_Collector said:
He never directly opposed them, he just kept eating lifeforms and the goddesses told him to **** off and imprisoned him and the void by creating... creation. The goddesses just tend to use sealing instead of destruction with this shit, like they only opted to have the Twili banished to another dimension, they chose to seal away Ganondorf by flooding the world, like Null isn't unqiue in that regard it ain't one of the most impressive feats he just means he got sealed away.

Their solution to him creating rifts being the Tris doesn't mean much either, the Triforce is objectively far, farrr superior to Null by his own admission (Like not even the full thing, dude could barely believe the power he got from just one piece of the thing) and even the end of the game has Tri (The main one that helps Zelda) using the Triforce to fix all the rifts he made at the end of the game. Him taking on two Triforce piece users at the same time isn't even a feat for him because he was empowered by the Triforce of Power, and even then that's nothing new for the thing since Ganon with the TOP needed two triforce peice users + the master sword + the light arrows + the sages to be sealed away in OOT and in one timeline he even wins the other Triforce pieces during that fight and all the sages can do is stall him by sending him to the Dark World for a short timeout.

Null does have the best sealing tho, like legit could seal away the golden goddesses within his rifts. In a straight up fight he'd get donked by, I dunno, TOTK Ganondorf but if Ganon caught caught in the rift he's ******. Dude has some impressive hax but AP wise? He's like OOT temple boss level until he gets the Triforce of Power.
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I wonder, what would you do if Nintendo decides to release some guidebook or statement about Null being as or even more powerful than the Goddesses, and that's why they didn't destroyed it
 
FuarRu23 said:
I wonder, what would you do if Nintendo decides to release some guidebook or statement about Null being as or even more powerful than the Goddesses, and that's why they didn't destroyed it
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we'd ignore it because that's straight up contradicted by the games on every account and we only use supplementary material when it isnt contradicted otherwise we'd have low 2-C Majora, for 4 different reasons.

GG > Triforce > ToP > Null.

Null has good hax tho but in raw stats, lil bro's a fraud.
 
Chariot190 said:
we'd ignore it because that's straight up contradicted by the games on every account and we only use supplementary material when it isnt contradicted otherwise we'd have low 2-C Majora, for 4 different reasons.

GG > Triforce > ToP > Null.

Null has good hax tho but in raw stats, lil bro's a fraud.
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What if the Goddesses are actually less powerful than the Tridorce? Could be an interesting reveal
 
FuarRu23 said:
What if the Goddesses are actually less powerful than the Tridorce? Could be an interesting reveal
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We're told like a billion times, the full Triforce, is their power, even a fraction of it, so wouldnt make sense.
 
FuarRu23 said:
Really? I don't remember any piece of lore saying anything like that, or do you have proof?
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"The three goddesses hid the
Triforce containing the power of
the gods somewhere in Hyrule." - one of like 50 lines in OOT alone.

They say it a lot, WW, AlttP, OOT, off the top of my head has a bunch of statements, also guides and stuff too elaborate, but yeah the Triforce is the essence of the 3 GGs, it's their powers.
 
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