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Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

Dust_Collector said:
Nearly done with my Zant rework I've been doing on and off for the last week, probs will be able to make a CRT in a few hours if I decide not to be lazy and add the finishing touches like gifs for his notable techniques and putting in an actual summary beyond "This is Zant from Twilight Princess"
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Looks good. Just missing a resistance to Light Manipulation since as a Twili he would normally be hurt by being in the Light World, and Absorption as Ganondorf has it via scaling to Zant creating shadow crystals that absorb light.

Also would he not have Matter Manipulation like Midna and Ganondorf due to the usage of Twilight magic?
 
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I forget how good Dust is at making profiles.
Also in the Twilight Princess Picross game, Zant’s sprite is pogging, so uhhh if you want to include that
 
Dust_Collector said:
Nearly done with my Zant rework I've been doing on and off for the last week, probs will be able to make a CRT in a few hours if I decide not to be lazy and add the finishing touches like gifs for his notable techniques and putting in an actual summary beyond "This is Zant from Twilight Princess"
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Do ya want a clip of it negging every freeze item like chuchu, frost talus, etc, or just like Naydra or Gleeok horn or some shit.
 
Why would you demonstrate the weakest example of freezing in the game it can neg (they dont even freeze you anyway last i checked), as opposed to the actual good shit like the spiritual embodiment of cold or big ice flash freezing explosions that can freeze lava 🗿
 
Chariot190 said:
Why would you demonstrate the weakest example of freezing in the game it can neg (they dont even freeze you anyway last i checked), as opposed to the actual good shit like the spiritual embodiment of cold or big ice flash freezing explosions that can freeze lava 🗿
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You know why.
 
I literally don't, why would we use the worst possible showing in the whole game to demonstrate its ability as opposed to literally anything else, even ice fruit better, like I actually don't know why you'd do that. It's just bad indexing at that point.
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Chariot190 said:
I literally don't, why would we use the worst possible showing in the whole game to demonstrate its ability as opposed to literally anything else, even ice fruit better, like I actually don't know why you'd do that. It's just bad indexing at that point.
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I legitimately cannot remember a single thing we’ve agreed on
 
What is there even to agree or disagree on here, wtf are you talking about 🗿
 
TheGatememer said:
Pretty sure Link rapidly dies if he falls into a frozen river regardless of the equipment he has, could be wrong tho
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Not wrong, even just got a tip explaining why. States that it saps his body heat, and food and stuff wont help with it. Same as being frozen actually, if ya dont break out, youll take damage every few seconds.

Anyway Ive got the clips, but im grabbing potency examples like freezing lava or dudes with huge mass just to show the lv of freezing being dealt with for the helmet.
 
SilentLyfe said:
Looks good. Just missing a resistance to Light Manipulation since as a Twili he would normally be hurt by being in the Light World, and Absorption as Ganondorf has it via scaling to Zant creating shadow crystals that absorb light.

Also would he not have Matter Manipulation like Midna and Ganondorf due to the usage of Twilight magic?
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I think that's less of a resistance and more of a lack of weakness to light that the other Twili have since he's suped up on Ganons magic. Yeah been meaning to add the Light absorption just need to get a new scan for it.

Zant doesn't really have much in terms of twilight magic, it's a key plot point that the chosen ruler of the realm gets bonus magical powers and he got passed over in favor of Midna and she and Ganondorf are shown using the whacky matter based Teleportation while Zant does basic stuff like just blipping in and out. Pretty much every instance of him using magic is said to just be him using Ganons magic as well, even the actual twilight clouds he spreads are due to Ganons evil magic allowing him to do some funky spatial manipulation to fuse parts of Hyrule with the Twilight Realm.
 
Dust_Collector said:
I think that's less of a resistance and more of a lack of weakness to light that the other Twili have since he's souped up on Ganons magic.
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Interesting. Would have thought it’d be the same as Midna since like him she got her’s from a Triforce wielder. Obviously he didn’t give his piece to him, but giving him some of his magic would probably be the same though right?

And there’s also the fact of him being in close proximity to Lanyaru, a light spirit and not being affected like Midna was later.
 
Was also thinking, should it be mentioned that Zant is using Ganondorf's power? Like, Blessed (for the lack of a better word, tbh) or in the Power Bestowal bit?
 
I was gonna mention it in his summary when I get around to it, don't think he really counts for Blessed? Isn't that reserved for more divine stuff or some a higher power instead of a glorified secretary given demonic powers by some really strong dude from the desert?

Then again Ganondorf is technically blessed so maybe sharing a small portion of his power would make zant blessed by extension? I dunno.
 
Yeah, you're right, it is for divine or godly stuff mostly. I wasn't sure if it would fit for Zant given that even if Ganondorf is blessed himself, his own power is pretty demonic. Maybe you can slot it in Power Bestowal? I know that mostly means Zant can grant powers to others, but simply add a tidbit that goes like "Zant himself has been granted his powers by Ganondorfs dark magic".
 
Dust_Collector said:
I think that's less of a resistance and more of a lack of weakness to light that the other Twili have since he's suped up on Ganons magic. Yeah been meaning to add the Light absorption just need to get a new scan for it.
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SilentLyfe said:
Interesting. Would have thought it’d be the same as Midna since like him she got her’s from a Triforce wielder. Obviously he didn’t give his piece to him, but giving him some of his magic would probably be the same though right?

And there’s also the fact of him being in close proximity to Lanyaru, a light spirit and not being affected like Midna was later.
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So what about this? Would this explanation allow him to get the resistance?
 
Tbh, idk if that's actually res, likely a lack of a weakness, after all, Lanyaru and lads don't like, actually do anything to non-twili.
Midna makes sense because Zelda juice, got that honorary citizenship, idk what's up with Zant tho, the reason why he lacks that weakness (in part, the Sol MS still ***** him up) could be anything from weakness negation bullshit (so actual hax) to uncle nando just like going "nah ur ok". Kinda hard to conclude anything beyond "he doesn't die when exposed to an LED like he should".
 
Honestly I think that TP Link is the closest one who isn’t Hyrule Warriors to being able to fight Final Fantasy characters. Which is a good thing, because I like both and think they deserve VS matches with each other.
 
Yeah, there were a couple of good matches here and there that were pretty cool. TP Link had fight with Zack Fair that was removed when their keys no longer matched. I wanted to redo the fight with their High 6-A keys, but it was a mismatch.
 
If Ilia had literally any feats I’d be Earth’s #1 Ilia vs Aerith supporter

(Bit of a side note, I kinda wish that Ilia was more important to TP’s story)
 
She has feats, they're just getting memed on by 9-B's. She's probably legit 10-B to 10-A.
 
Tyloxtus said:
If Ilia had literally any feats I’d be Earth’s #1 Ilia vs Aerith supporter

(Bit of a side note, I kinda wish that Ilia was more important to TP’s story)
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I think she, alongside the rest of Link's friends, fare better in the manga, it's something I guess.

Ilia vs Aerith? Hadn't really thought of that.
 
Seriously, it’s possible to finish the whole game without restoring Ilia’s memory. Pre-kidnap she was basically treated as Link’s love interest.
 
I was wondering, would possession be a standard abilities for demons?

Vaati can do it (Only shown after he becomes a demon), Malladus can do it, Bellum can do it, a lot of living statues like the different types of Armos have statements of being possessed by the spirits of generic demons, might even explain why Ganondorf could possess Zelda's corpse after becoming twilight particles when possession wasn't really shown to be a thing twilight magic did (Albeit that one might be a bit of a strech).

Granted wouldn't say it's combat applicable outside of a few cases, the armos stuff for example makes it seem like Demons have to be reduced to spirits first before they can possess anything (This is also shown with Vaati who, while not exactly a spirit, is a mass of dark energy and Malladus only possesses others while as a soul).
 
Seems less standard, and more any demon worth a damn can do it, not because they're a demon (like a bokoblin ain't possessing shit) bu because they just aren't trash, we wouldn't be able to cross scale it without a direct statement if that's what you're asking.

But really it don't matter anyway, every demon who might have it, Ganon, Majora, sex offender, Bellum, Malladus, etc, literally shows it except like demise but **** him ig
 
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