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Hitchen's Razor would indicate that the idea his attacks are weaker should be dismissed because it's literally baseless and has little to no actual reason if we know Xehanort does things of a direct 3-A potency with Kingdom Hearts. There's a difference with being powered by something and saying X thing can do something and a character actually showing direct potency with the thing they are utilizing because Xehanort literally did accomplish his goal before Sora used Power of Waking and undid it."
I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
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This goes for the second point as well, he got killed initially because his friends died, I already explained how those bonds actively give Sora strength. Demon Tide might as well be one of the biggest PIS moments in KH III, there are many others like that where Disney characters > Organization Members."
Okay, we're
definitely not talking about the same thing. I don't mean when Demon Tide murdered everyone and Sora had to undo everything.
I mean Xehanort himself killing Sora. These are drastically different, and I don't really think the Demon Tide one is related to the conversation.
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Sora at his best, with NOBODY killed, takes on KH amped Xehanort who can perform a 3-A feat with it, he's got no reason not to scale to it."
This is part of where I disagree. The 3-A feat did not seem to be something that Xehanort was going to channel through himself/perform himself, but more so something KH was going to do due to him making it do so. He seemed to suggest KH was capable of doing so after his own defeat. It was not an attack Xehanort was going to perform, but instead he was going to use KH to return the world to an empty state.
This ties into how he says this is going to happen and that Sora is too late, even though Xehanort can hardly even stand after the battle. Everyone's dialogue seems to suggest this was something KH itself would do this after Xehanort commands it to, which is why I am so unsure about just scaling this to everything else Xehanort does.
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No, I said we could add a varies thing since you're trying to call it inconsistent. If you don't want it as his definitive tiering, that's literally why I said it can be given the Undertale treatment considering Power of Friendship canonically does give Sora strength, it would just mean it varies due to that prospect. Don't misrepresent what I said, simple as that."
Go back to my comment or your comment I'm replying to. Read what you said to me. Read what I am replying to. You mentioned adding a "varies" tier to Kaltias, not me. Now note how I said "going by this comment", because the proposition you made for adding a "varies" is not one you made until
after you had originally replied to my comment, which is
after you told me I was being ignorant of propositions made to come to a middle ground. If you actually are fine with "possibly" or "varies", that is more reasonable, but perhaps it should be a separate key, as well. Not sure on the specifics.
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Alright, now you're playing the victim to try to mitigate my points. Look, I already apologized for being aggressive if I was."
I am not complaining about you being aggressive. I am complaining about you acting like I have no idea what I'm saying because we disagree, which I take far more of an issue with with than being aggressive. You literally did this in your apology for being rude. "
And I'm sorry if some of this comes off as rude but the problem I have is that you don't seem to even understand Kingdom Hearts but are arguing against things regardless." These are your words.
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However, it's literally hard not to when you were not understanding what I was saying at all and it really does not seem like you know what you're talking about."
Just earlier in your comment, you completely misunderstood something I was talking about, mistaking me talking about Xehanort blasting Sora for me talking about the Demon Tide. Do I now have free reign to go "wow, you have no idea what you're talking about"?
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It's not because I just disagree with you, it literally just seems like you don't know the plotted events honestly. But I already explained why he died to that to other people above so this point is still openly irrelevant."
Again, wrong thing entirely.
"Infinity's literal AP justification is, and I quote, "The equal half of Eternity." And on the Abstract Existence page, Infinity is mentioned as a counterpart to Eternity. And you didn't get the example, just like Kaltias."
I actively explained to you why this isn't the only reason they share a tier.
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The point was that when you have counterparts in fiction, they are generally seen as being equivalent to each other in power, especially when describing the two objects of power. In what way would we assume them being counterparts otherwise?"
Things that are "counterparts" in fiction sometimes being "equivalent in power" does not remotely mean this is the case for everything. Again, you are trying to compare a pair of characters to a blade used to summon something and the heart of all worlds. Secondly,
being something's counterpart in no way has to be in regards to power unless specified.
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Hell, even if we're going to say the X-Blade isn't on par with True Kingdom Hearts for no reason, that doesn't stop the fact it's called higher-dimensional, wielded by a dude who transcends space and time, and empowered completely by a source of power that does an eclipsing above baseline 3-A feat."
The X-Blade is not stated to be higher-dimensional. It is stated to be
"forged via a high-dimensional clash" , which does not equate to power. I am unsure what the statement of Xehanort being able to "transcend space and time" has to do with him being 3-A, as this seems to be in regards to his ability to travel through time and space, not to bust a universe. As for the last one, again, I just want to know why we should scale Xehanort to a 3-A feat KH was going to perform just because he took control of it. How does KH being able to return the world to a state of emptiness make all of Xehanort's attacks universal? I ask this because I'm pretty sure we don't do this with a number of characters, and am wondering why this case is different when I don't think Xehanort even explicitly mentions the purge of everything in detail until after he's lost. If we do come to a middle ground, I really just want to find some decent justification for it to slap on the profile.
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No, I just said I really doubt you know what you're talking about in terms of the series overall. I do not see you on the knowledgeable member list despite being a very active member here and you just kept asking for statements for already obvious things like Sora getting strength from his friends, something that's present in literally every Kingdom Hearts game."
The knowledgeable member list? You mean the list I can add
myself to but frequently don't even for verses I follow extremely heavily? That is a matter of preference. I do not add my name to every single verse I am familiar with, because I usually don't believe I have "all the answers" or can delve super deeply into more obscure lore. It does not mean I know little to nothing about any verse I am not listed under, and it does not mean I am unable to take part in discussion about said verses.
Also, I just looked back through my comments, and unless I glossed over it, I could not find an example of myself asking someone to show an example of Sora getting strength through his friends, which is super obvious. The thing I consistently asked for were statements about the X-Blade, which is an entirely different matter. I'm unsure of where you're getting this, and think you may have possibly misread something I wrote due to phrasing, but I can assure you that is not something I "just kept asking for".
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I do not know if you're trying to play a victim card for some sort of sympathy, but it really seems like it is that way."
No, I am trying to point out that repeatedly stating that I do not know what I'm talking about is not a way to actually counter my points. It's just a shitty thing to do, and does not help us get anywhere. Me saying "stop doing this, it doesn't help" is not "playing the victim card".
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That's not what I said in regards to Ant as well, I'm just saying that's a common thing he does is just assume mods are right, not really giving reasoning on why he thinks they are right."
Do you want him to restate my points, again? All he's saying is that he believes I make sense. He did not even say "I agree with Azathoth, let's close this thread, now". He just expressed that he agreed with me. I can think of quite a few cases where Ant has vehemently disagreed with staff.
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I think you know as well it's far better for someone on the managing staff who is actually knowledgeable on Kingdom Hearts to evaluate the thread as well. That's not me trying to invalidate what I said, it's objectively better though to have people who know a series vs someone who doesn't to look over what's being said content revision wise."
Dude, I don't know how vast you think someone's knowledge of KH has to be to even take part in this thread, but
I know about Kingdom Hearts. Do I know every last thing there is to know about the series? No. Have I played every game to 100% completion? No. But I am familiar with it and provided links to the exact moments I was talking about. Your idea about my lack of knowledge does not invalidate things I say, and I am still able to have a discussion and present my ideas about the series. Someone who knows more about Kingdom Hearts would not invalidate my points by saying "I know more about Kingdom Hearts and you're wrong so there". They would provide counterpoints, the same as anyone else. They would just be more equipped to do so should they wish due to having a greater knowledge of the series.
