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Ok, that feat will likely be the best thing we can find
As for this rock shattering feat, I have calced it at High 8-C
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Kid Icarus 6-C feat Downgrade
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As for this rock shattering feat, I have calced it at High 8-C
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Giver's calculation should probably be moved to a VSBW blog, but the math is good given Mitch accepted it.
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So it's a little hard to get a good shot of the Aurum Brain in its entirety compared to the planet, but I'll go ahead and link a video and hope that's enough for a comparison.
Here's another good shot for the entire Aurum Brain, I don't know if it's viable or not, but the actual feat also happens right after this.
Here's another good shot for the entire Aurum Brain, I don't know if it's viable or not, but the actual feat also happens right after this.
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With the second link, you could probably get the size of the Earth there via curvature scaling and then pixel scale the size of the Aurum Brain based on the size of that part of the Earth.
What exactly is being calculated for the Aurum Brain though?
What exactly is being calculated for the Aurum Brain though?
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We're calculating it being rotated before actually flying off for KE or smth
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Okay, I'll see what I can do.
Edit: The Earth looks to be further in the background than the Aurum Brain in that shot so I'm not sure it can be done.
Edit: The Earth looks to be further in the background than the Aurum Brain in that shot so I'm not sure it can be done.
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Here’s another thing maybe: There’s Arlon, whose existence maintains the Lunar Sanctum and it explodes upon his defeat to prove this. The Lunar Sanctum itself is so similar to the Moon that when viewed by Pit from a ways away, it looked like there were two moons.
I’m not sure how stabilization feats work or if this means anything, but I thought I’d point it out.
I’m not sure how stabilization feats work or if this means anything, but I thought I’d point it out.
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I'm not sure if Arlon meets points 2, 3 and 4 of the stabilization feats page
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I’ll go through the requirements one by one:
1. The Lunar Sanctum, which is basically a moon, is being sustained.
2. I had to dive deep for this one. Apparently the Lunar Sanctum is something that was built, and Arlon was assigned to watch over it. The very few things I found about this suggest that it’s Arlon’s power itself that sustains the Lunar Sanctum, not some other factor.
3. I wasn’t sure what this meant, but going off of the example given, we see that the Lunar Sanctum is immediately destroyed once Arlon is defeated, which is why Pit needed to fly quickly to escape the explosion.
4. The Lunar Sanctum, as stated before, is sustained with Arlon’s own power, and he also uses this power against Pit, and given that he needed to defend the Lunar Sanctum, there’s no reason he wouldn’t go all-out. Basically, Arlon’s full power sustains the Lunar Sanctum and that same full power could trade blows with Pit.
1. The Lunar Sanctum, which is basically a moon, is being sustained.
2. I had to dive deep for this one. Apparently the Lunar Sanctum is something that was built, and Arlon was assigned to watch over it. The very few things I found about this suggest that it’s Arlon’s power itself that sustains the Lunar Sanctum, not some other factor.
3. I wasn’t sure what this meant, but going off of the example given, we see that the Lunar Sanctum is immediately destroyed once Arlon is defeated, which is why Pit needed to fly quickly to escape the explosion.
4. The Lunar Sanctum, as stated before, is sustained with Arlon’s own power, and he also uses this power against Pit, and given that he needed to defend the Lunar Sanctum, there’s no reason he wouldn’t go all-out. Basically, Arlon’s full power sustains the Lunar Sanctum and that same full power could trade blows with Pit.
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Bumping this, we still need to reach a conclusion and afaik not all the necessary feats have been calculated yet.
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For what we still need to do, there's these feats that still need calculations before we begin changing the 6-C/4-A ratings:
- One is the feat from the anime of the Wolf Claws (Calculation here for someone to evaluate)
- Possibly the energy required to spin the Aurum Brain before actually flying?
- Here's a bonus feat from chapter 12 of an explosion we can calc since Pit no-sells this (Although Mitch said it's likely not worth calculating this one)
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Thank you.
@SamanPatou @DarkDragonMedeus @DragonGamerZ913 @MrWarnerTheGreat @DemonGodMitchAubin @Milly_Rocking_Bandit @Chariot190 @Dragonmasterxyz @Armorchompy
What do you think about this?
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Mitch calculated a feat for Pit at High 8-C+, I can try to calculate the second feat in that list (though it's hard and will likely be lowballed), and I think the 7-C feat looks good. Plus, there's the matter of if Arlon sustaining the Lunar Sanctum can be taken as a 5-C feat.
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Oh, and as a bonus, Kid Icarus can finally leave Unknown lifting strength via this calc.
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The High 6-B calculation looks great, and Mitch accepted it. I support Class P too.
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This was also done when Pyrrhon was no longer fused with the Aurum Brain, so it's right where his "At least 6-C, likely 4-A" key would be.
As such, these characters should go up to "At least High 6-B, likely 4-A"
As such, these characters should go up to "At least High 6-B, likely 4-A"
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I still disagree with possibly 4-A, Hades doesn't get power from the pocket dimension inside his belly, which isn't even totally connected to him.
And Pit doesn't tank its destruction, he gets blown away by a relatively small explosion and saved by Dark Pit. Do we at least know it was destroyed and Hades didn't just suffer from losing his heart? The dimension is still well intact when Pit escapes, anyway.
Hades shaking it is still weird, we see a small portion of it shaking and the fact that it is a partially connected pocket dimension doesn't necessarily mean it is a side effect of his power. Like, if it's compressed inside him even his movemenets might have part in shaking it but not because Hades is actively using raw power to move it, but it might be like a box being shaken.
But still the shaking is still vague, unexplained and don't properly shown. There's an abyss from what we see and saying that the entire dimension in its entirety was shaken.
And Pit doesn't tank its destruction, he gets blown away by a relatively small explosion and saved by Dark Pit. Do we at least know it was destroyed and Hades didn't just suffer from losing his heart? The dimension is still well intact when Pit escapes, anyway.
Hades shaking it is still weird, we see a small portion of it shaking and the fact that it is a partially connected pocket dimension doesn't necessarily mean it is a side effect of his power. Like, if it's compressed inside him even his movemenets might have part in shaking it but not because Hades is actively using raw power to move it, but it might be like a box being shaken.
But still the shaking is still vague, unexplained and don't properly shown. There's an abyss from what we see and saying that the entire dimension in its entirety was shaken.
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I only mentioned that Dyntos has his own 4-A feats that can scale to him exclusively, but I kinda agree with Saman that Hades' is too vague.
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I believe that other than Dyntos, everyone should just be High 6-B.
Dyntos can either be solid 4-A or "At least High 6-B, likely 4-A".
Dyntos can either be solid 4-A or "At least High 6-B, likely 4-A".
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I’m confused, why would Hades not be 4-A?
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I just need clarification on why Hades would no longer be 4-A, and then I should be fine.
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I explained it in my last post.
Basically Hades is currently 4-A because he has a pocket dimension inside his belly and there's a scene in which he supposedly shakes it, but for all the reasons I listed we don't know neither if he has shaken it in its entirety, nor if the tremors are caused by his raw power and not by a consequence of the dimension being like a box inside him.
Said dimension also doesn't give him power and it's not even totally connected to him, as stated by its idol description.
Basically Hades is currently 4-A because he has a pocket dimension inside his belly and there's a scene in which he supposedly shakes it, but for all the reasons I listed we don't know neither if he has shaken it in its entirety, nor if the tremors are caused by his raw power and not by a consequence of the dimension being like a box inside him.
Said dimension also doesn't give him power and it's not even totally connected to him, as stated by its idol description.
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What about his total control of the Underworld? Does that help with anything besides him being Omnipresent there?
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Also, the Great Sacred Treasure was one of Dyntos’ creations, so how does that factor in since Hades fought and damaged it?
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Dyntos making the TST doesn't make them scale as we need evidence that they can harm him.
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It depends on what does it mean. How does he control the Underworld? Does he have total omnipotence, warping powers and so on on its very totality?
And does that scale to his raw and general power?
Like, even if he had the power to warp all of that dimension out of his sheer role as its ruler, we would still need evidence that this power scales to his physical blows, energy attacks and most of all that it remains the same outside of the underworld.
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It shouldn't scale to power, it's just something like "Nigh-Omnipresent/Omnipresent in the Underworld"
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He's already rated as Omnipresent in the Underworld
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If that's just his omnipresence, then he doesn't have a reason to scale.
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I couldn't find much about Hades' control over the Underworld, as I wanted to see if it extended to more than just being omnipresent, but I did find something interesting.
Here is Dyntos' idol description in Kid Icarus Uprising:
"The god and keeper of the forge. He is the creator of not only the Three Sacred Treasures but all sacred armaments. Cunning and highly creative, Dyntos is said to be one of the few real forces in the divine pantheon."
And here is Hades' idol description:
"The true master of the Underworld. He is immeasurably strong—even among the divine pantheon—but prefers to rule from the shadows, forcing Medusa to do his dirty work. Yet even with all this evil, Hades still manages to act nonchalant."
The bolded parts are what I feel is important here, as Dyntos is stated to be a real force in the pantheon while Hades is said to be immeasurably strong even among the pantheon. I want to hear other thoughts on this, but in my opinion, this makes it seem as though Hades would scale to Dyntos.
Here is Dyntos' idol description in Kid Icarus Uprising:
"The god and keeper of the forge. He is the creator of not only the Three Sacred Treasures but all sacred armaments. Cunning and highly creative, Dyntos is said to be one of the few real forces in the divine pantheon."
And here is Hades' idol description:
"The true master of the Underworld. He is immeasurably strong—even among the divine pantheon—but prefers to rule from the shadows, forcing Medusa to do his dirty work. Yet even with all this evil, Hades still manages to act nonchalant."
The bolded parts are what I feel is important here, as Dyntos is stated to be a real force in the pantheon while Hades is said to be immeasurably strong even among the pantheon. I want to hear other thoughts on this, but in my opinion, this makes it seem as though Hades would scale to Dyntos.
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I don't think that's enough for scaling, even because we have Palutena stating that Dyntos is "powerful beyond imagination", and characters like Medusa, Palutena and Pit scale to Hades to some extent, and all of them would then scale back to Dyntos, especially if we take those info as Hades being comparable or even superior to Dyntos himself.
It's more likely that Dyntos is likely the strongest of them all, and Hades the second strongest, even though the gap is unknown and not enough for scaling, but we already knew Hades was a step above the other gods.
It's more likely that Dyntos is likely the strongest of them all, and Hades the second strongest, even though the gap is unknown and not enough for scaling, but we already knew Hades was a step above the other gods.
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What makes Palutena's statement more reliable than this?
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