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So you're honestly saying that Konohamaru is above SM and Pain for speed?
This is a blitz
This is a blitz
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Is there anyone in Naruto who will adjust the speed scale with Sub-Rel's Konohamaru?
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Konohamaru being faster than Pain and Sage Naruto is just hilarious. Also sage Naruto is fast enough to react to the 3rd Raikage, who's probably faster than Ay, who blitzed Jugo lol
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YES, Of course, I said that, there is no evidence that Naruto and Pain are faster than Konohamaru.
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This is not a blitz, Jugo doesn't look at Raikage and doesn't even care about Raikage.
The blitz, is where the other party approached the opponent while he stared intently.
Jugo blocked raikage's attack> https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_462/naruto_462_1.jpg
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This is not a blitz, Jugo doesn't look at Raikage and doesn't even care about Raikage.
The blitz, is where the other party approached the opponent while he stared intently.
Jugo blocked raikage's attack> https://images.mangafreak.net/mangas/naruto/naruto_462/naruto_462_1.jpg
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Don't be confused, Raikage never blitzed Jugo.
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Lol what? He absolutely no diffed JugoWrath Of Itachi said:
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And then proceeded to blitz Sasuke who's superior to Jugo
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As I said is not a blitz, Jugo didn't look at him and didn't even care about him, Jugo thought he was dead, he careless to Raikage.
So this will not be able to scale with Ay, because he has never blitzed Jugo, and Jugo can still block his attacks.
So this will not be able to scale with Ay, because he has never blitzed Jugo, and Jugo can still block his attacks.
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I already provided a pic of Jugo getting blitzed.
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Lol
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what
First of all, you have to understand the definition of "blitzed"
First of all, you have to understand the definition of "blitzed"
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Even trying to argue Jugo being even comparable to the Raikage is insane lol. Not to mention again, he blitzed Sasuke who's faster than Jugo
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This is a blitz.Wrath Of Itachi said:
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I didn't argue that Jugo is equal to Raikage, I just said that Jugo can block Raikage who beSub-Rel.
And Jugo is Massively Hypersonic +, Sub-Relativistic reactions and combat speed, so what's wrong? There is nothing strange that he can block Raikage's attacks, because he has scaled it from Sub-Rel's Konohamaru and he is Massively Hypersonic+, Sub-Relativistic reactions and combat speed
And Jugo is Massively Hypersonic +, Sub-Relativistic reactions and combat speed, so what's wrong? There is nothing strange that he can block Raikage's attacks, because he has scaled it from Sub-Rel's Konohamaru and he is Massively Hypersonic+, Sub-Relativistic reactions and combat speed
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You don't understand the meaning of blitz
that's not blitz
that's not blitz
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Your argument basically proves my argument. Raikage is >>Jugo. SM Naruto speed(specifically reactions) is >> 3rd Raikage who's>=Ay.
Get what I'm trying to say?
Get what I'm trying to say?
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"""Raikage is >>Jugo"""
Raikage is Sub-Relativistic
Jugo is Massively Hypersonic+, Sub-Relativistic reactions and combat speed
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Raikage never biltzed Jugo
what wrong?
Raikage is Sub-Relativistic
Jugo is Massively Hypersonic+, Sub-Relativistic reactions and combat speed
and
Raikage never biltzed Jugo
what wrong?
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Jugo is objectively below the Raikage, meaning that anyone who scales to the raikage or above should logically scale above Jugo. Which means they scale to Konohamaru.
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It's a pretty simple scaling chain, not to mention logical and consistent.
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Besides Konohamaru was never stated to be anything above Jonin level, so any Kage level shinobi should be logically above him.
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No, it's not simple
Raikage is superior to Jugo. << Yes, it is correct, but his information is already superior to Jugo, he's Sub-Rel and Jugo is MHS +.
Therefore, Ay will not be able to scale with Konohamaru.
Raikage is superior to Jugo. << Yes, it is correct, but his information is already superior to Jugo, he's Sub-Rel and Jugo is MHS +.
Therefore, Ay will not be able to scale with Konohamaru.
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I am myself You are you, seems to be making more sense here.
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I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. We currently scale Sub-Rel characters using gate multipliers, which is fine. But having a supporting calced feat like Konohamaru's would be really solid especially when it's so consistent with our current ratings.I am myself You are you said:
This is logical and not in any way in consistent.
Konohamaru is a Jonin. Any Kage level fighter would be logically above him, so scaling them to his feat AND to gate multipliers is just solidifying their tier.
Get my point?
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@UchihaSlayer; no, it's not a supporting feat for the characters you're talking about though.
We shouldn't be scaling purely by ranks.
We shouldn't be scaling purely by ranks.
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That konohamaru is superior to most kage and some who scale above that? I don't think so.Damage3245 said:
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Except we do. Most Jonin are scaled by virtue of being Jonin, and to say power has no bearing over rank in Naruto, barring a few exceptions, would simply be false.Damage3245 said:
And it's not only rank either, most if not all the characters me and WOI mentioned are above Jugo who's scaling to the feat.
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I agree with UchihaSlayer96.
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@UchihaSlayer96; in part that's down to lazy editing on our part. Almost all Jonin characters who we have profiles for actually have feats that support their ratings so they should be rated purely by rank. We just haven't got around to improving the profiles yet.
Anyway; I don't think we should be using a purely anime-only feat to backscale to the Shippuden manga.
Anyway; I don't think we should be using a purely anime-only feat to backscale to the Shippuden manga.
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I was under the impression that the anime is Canon.
Furthermore we already back scale the manga feats vs. Delta to get the FTL ratings. Though I already know you disagree with this but it shouldn't be an issue as long as it's a canon source. It's the same situation as Dragon ball super, except way more consistent imo.
Furthermore we already back scale the manga feats vs. Delta to get the FTL ratings. Though I already know you disagree with this but it shouldn't be an issue as long as it's a canon source. It's the same situation as Dragon ball super, except way more consistent imo.
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@UchihaSlayer96; the Delta feat is from the Boruto manga.
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I know. But as of yet the manga and anime are both canon AFAIK, and there's no discrepancy between them as of yet. It's not a DBS situation where the anime and manga are completely different. Again correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any mention of the anime not being canon.Damage3245 said:
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I agree Kono definitely isn't faster than Naruto and Pain. First of all saying Jugo has his own feats still doesn't hold weight because of the fact that Raikage is literally considered the fastest ninja alive at that point ƒÿɃÿɃÿÉ. Did people really forget this???
Secondly Sasuke did way better in the fight speed wise then Jugo could even compare.
Third if Jugo has sub rel combat speed then Ay definitely scales because let's not forget Ay dodged an attack from Jugo point blank
Secondly Sasuke did way better in the fight speed wise then Jugo could even compare.
Third if Jugo has sub rel combat speed then Ay definitely scales because let's not forget Ay dodged an attack from Jugo point blank
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Isn't he take it than dodge it?
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Dude you need to understand that you don't need to be 10x faster than someone to blitz them or keep up with them, and in both cases they can scale to each other. Not mention the Raikage being one of if not the fastest ninja at the time. But Naruto scales to him, and a lot of other characters scale far above the likes of Jugo, In fact if he reacted to him like you said then that's more reason to scale others because many characters are above Jugo objectively.I am myself You are you said:
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Agreed.AstralKing7 said:
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...aruto_-_Shino_dodging_a_lightning_from_Mizuki
but it become Mach 2716 now
but it become Mach 2716 now
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From what I heard, the calc itself wasn't accepted. And in this case we have a legitimate possible scaling chain that doesn't contradict anything tbh.M3X said:
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Then you heard wrong. The calc was accepted and a thread was created to discuss the scaling - the backscaling.
A scaling chain that doesn't contradict anything? Okay, but this doesn't answer my question. What changed since from that day we discussed and rejected the backscaling?
A scaling chain that doesn't contradict anything? Okay, but this doesn't answer my question. What changed since from that day we discussed and rejected the backscaling?
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I guess you don't understand what it wants to convey, Ay can't scale through Jugo which scales through Konohamaru, because Jugo is not Sub-Rel in real speed.
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