I attempt to get Flowey off of jobber status: Omega Flowey vs. The Player (Minecraft)

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and in minecraft the fact that something is HOSTILE is enough to be erased, even if they cant hurt you.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

erasure makes it so that the dt, which is neede for load, is not present

>EREASURE DELETING 2-A CONCEPTS


You Serious?-1

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

you do realize onlky frisk is 2a right? and not concepts, thats like saying destroying a rock destroys theyre concept. or extinguishing fire edetroys theyre concept

 

[RRTheEndMan]

That's pure NLF, dt is a power that even asriel couldn't delete from a being that's <<<<<<<<<<<< him

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

That's pure NLF, dt is a power that even asriel couldn't delete from a being that's <<<<<<<<<<<< him

again, frisk<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<aix human souls, and i dont belive that dt stopped undyne from dieing, or the amagametes survive the mulitiverse distruction, and they had dt.

also, erasing a small amount=/=erasing an entire concept. and you have yet to explain whc thesouls wouldent betray flowey, especialy as he forces hes enemies to call for help

 

[RRTheEndMan]

he desn frce his enemy t ca fr he if he is wiing t ki. as i meant that if a 2-A cudn't erease/nu frisk's dt why wud a 2-B withut any feats besides deeting tier 7's d that?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

he desn frce his enemy t ca fr he if he is wiing t ki. as i meant that if a 2-A cudn't erease/nu frisk's dt why wud a 2-B withut any feats besides deeting tier 7's d that?

because frisk had moire dt then any of the human souls and it be an association fallacy (This is when someone claims that since A has certain qualities, and B is in some way associated with A, then B has those qualities as well, without actual proof of this.)

especialy when undyne can be killed despite the dt, as can the anomalies during multiverse bust, who are obviusly aware of the save load sistem .

flowey has NEVER show resictence to erasure, and teh only three that did either have outside help (chara), inner help (frisk and asriel) and LL of these three has an infinitly stronger dt then omega flowey, to claim that the human souls are immune to erasure would be saying that they can REFUSE like frisk did, which asgore obviusly disproved

 

[RRTheEndMan]

but they will LOAD is it difficult to understand?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

but they will LOAD is it difficult to understand?

load needs dt, and as amalgametes adn undyne have showm dt can be desrtoyed

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Asriel never targeted DT and was trying to erase Frisk directly.

DT is no different to any other concept, and any person with Concept Destruction could destroy it.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Too bad the Player can't destroy concepts ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

also, destroying a small amount of a thing=/=destroxing its concept.

to assume that destroying smaller amounts of dt needs someone to be 2a is to assume that the amalgamates, chara, and flowey sare 2a

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Too bad the Player can't destroy concepts ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

Exactly. Why are people even debating this?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Too bad the Player can't destroy concepts ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»

again, he needs to destroy siy souls, not the very concept, i dont need to kill the concept of life to kill someoe

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Exactly. Why are people even debating this?

I don't really know.

 

[Jinsye]

Here's the deal.

Player can't destroy DT so Flowey will keep saving and reloading.

Flowey can't hit non-corporeals.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

again, he needs to destroy siy souls, not the very concept, i dont need to kill the concept of life to kill someoe

Destroying the soul is literally what happens every single time you die on Undertale, just to come back and do the fight again.

 

[RRTheEndMan]

st with ad nauseam please

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Here's the deal.
Player can't destroy DT so Flowey will keep saving and reloading.

Flowey can't hit non-corporeals.

Make of that what you will.

Well, I guess I'll have to vote Inconclusive then.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Destroying the soul is literally what happens every single time you die on Undertale, just to come back and do the fight again.

destroying =/=erasing

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Destroying the soul is literally what happens every single time you die on Undertale, just to come back and do the fight again.

destroying =/=erasing

Where is the evidence of him erasing Souls.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

again, he needs to destroy siy souls, not the very concept, i dont need to kill the concept of life to kill someoe

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

and again, why wouldetn the souls betray flowey when he makes hes enemies call for help on porpuse?

non corporeal < targeting souls

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Where is the evidence of him erasing Souls.

other then him erasing timelines like nothing and making monsters cease to exist, including the wither, who is made out of soul sand gotten from hell?

 

[Holyhotsauce]

and again, why wouldetn the souls betray flowey when he makes hes enemies call for helpp?
non corporeal < targeting souls

Flowey makes Frisk call for help because he's a ****** and because Frisk whole shtick is depending on friends.

The Player would keep spamming Peaceful and Flowey would keep LOADing.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

yeah, and he wouldent stop being a ******

what? you fail to understand that the player can erase entire timelines and that flowey cant reload post erasure.

erasure needs dt, and the amount of dt needed to become resistent to erasure on the level that asriel used (a timeline)) is infintily more then flowy has, and as it becomes passive once activated, flowey would keep getting erased even IF he could come back, in which case he would lose via incapacitation

 

[RRTheEndMan]

OF>>>Frisk

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

OF>>>Frisk

pacifist frisk is infintly above omega flowey.

2a dura vs 2b via powerscaling character

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Frisk's 2-B comes from scratching Flowey tho.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Frisk's 2-B comes from scratching Flowey tho.

they are 2a by tanking asriels full power

 

[RRTheEndMan]

they are 2a in dura

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Actually, this does not make a lot of sense, why aren't Frisk in the Asriel battle and Frisk in the Flowey battle listed as different forms? Flowey was shattering Frisk's soul casually, even with massive Determination, if we go by that logic, Flowey would have to be 2-A.

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Frisk has 2-A Durability for tanking Asriel's full power, Frisk has 2-B AP for managing to scratch Photoshop Flowey.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

they are 2a in dura, s doesn't count

what? they are 2a via dt, so it MOST certainly counts.

and again, assocation fallacy. flowey has no resitence to erasure and unless you make a crt, its a non factor

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Frisk has 2-A Durability for tanking Asriel's full power, Frisk has 2-B AP for managing to scratch Photoshop Flowey.

yes, but they still had infinitly more dura then omega flowey ONLY through determination, and again, no crt, no resictence

 

[Holyhotsauce]

Frisk has 2-A Durability for tanking Asriel's full power, Frisk has 2-B AP for managing to scratch Photoshop Flowey.

yes, but they still had infinitely more dura then omega Flowey ONLY through determination, and again, no CRT, no resistance

I never said he had a Resistance to Erasure. It doesn't matter that their Dura is infinitely above his, Frisk's AP is still ridiculously below Floweys.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Seriously, I'm confused, how the hell did Flowey do this?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

firstly, him not having recistence to erasure means that he would be erased, save NEVER brought back anyone from erasure, the only time it did it needed a third party to help, which isnt happening here.

secondly, that doesent change the fact that frisk needs infinitly more energy to get 2a dura then flowey has

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Seriously, I'm confused, how the hell did Flowey do this?

what exactly,rewinding time? that doesent affect erasure in any way

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Damaging Frisk.